Tyres and OE markings
Discussion
Hello all,
I am looking to buy some tyres from camskill, and i noticed that the "OE Code" is AR (alfa romeo). Apart from this code they are not advertised as being for any particular manufacturer, as some others are on Catskill.
The tyres are Pirelli P Zero, 205/45/17, and will be going on a MINI. Is this an issue at all? There don't seem to be any non-designated P Zero's on the site.
TIA,
James
I am looking to buy some tyres from camskill, and i noticed that the "OE Code" is AR (alfa romeo). Apart from this code they are not advertised as being for any particular manufacturer, as some others are on Catskill.
The tyres are Pirelli P Zero, 205/45/17, and will be going on a MINI. Is this an issue at all? There don't seem to be any non-designated P Zero's on the site.
TIA,
James
I had the same tyres size on my old Punto.
The OE marking is just telling you it's the tyre fitted to the car from the factory. You can put them on the car.
IME, I wore a set out (no trackdays and no hard driving) in under 7k miles.
I put Michelin Pilot Sport 3's on they were much better.
The OE marking is just telling you it's the tyre fitted to the car from the factory. You can put them on the car.
IME, I wore a set out (no trackdays and no hard driving) in under 7k miles.
I put Michelin Pilot Sport 3's on they were much better.
Blanchimont said:
I had the same tyres size on my old Punto.
The OE marking is just telling you it's the tyre fitted to the car from the factory. You can put them on the car.
IME, I wore a set out (no trackdays and no hard driving) in under 7k miles.
I put Michelin Pilot Sport 3's on they were much better.
Fitted, and most likely engineered for that cars OE requirements.The OE marking is just telling you it's the tyre fitted to the car from the factory. You can put them on the car.
IME, I wore a set out (no trackdays and no hard driving) in under 7k miles.
I put Michelin Pilot Sport 3's on they were much better.
You can however fit them.
jon- said:
Fitted, and most likely engineered for that cars OE requirements.
You can however fit them.
This was my thinking... I have ordered from black circles now, a tiny bit more £, but no mention of being an OE fit.You can however fit them.
With regards to the wear... I was weighing up a number of tyres, Eagle F1's, P zeros, Sport Contacts 5's, Bridgestone Potenza (whats on there now) and at a push Michelin PSS.
The conti's are well know for wearing out very quickly, the bridgestones don't seem particularly well regarded for the price, the PSS's were just a bit too much (£50 more for 2) so it was a toss up between the P Zero's and the Eagle F1's. Both get very similar reviews so i picked on the basis that the P Zero's came 3rd in the latest EVO test, after the conti's (1st) and some yokohamas that i couldn't get in my size.
So i ordered from black circles.... and when they arrived (and were fitted) low and behold they are OE for alfa romeo. In an email conversation with them now about whether its an issue or not and if they will send me out a different set of tyres if it is. They have some BMW marked ones...
Does anyone know if Pirelli P Zero were every standard fit on the R56 MINI?
Nothing is ever straight forward!
Does anyone know if Pirelli P Zero were every standard fit on the R56 MINI?
Nothing is ever straight forward!
jon- said:
Blanchimont said:
I had the same tyres size on my old Punto.
The OE marking is just telling you it's the tyre fitted to the car from the factory. You can put them on the car.
IME, I wore a set out (no trackdays and no hard driving) in under 7k miles.
I put Michelin Pilot Sport 3's on they were much better.
Fitted, and most likely engineered for that cars OE requirements.The OE marking is just telling you it's the tyre fitted to the car from the factory. You can put them on the car.
IME, I wore a set out (no trackdays and no hard driving) in under 7k miles.
I put Michelin Pilot Sport 3's on they were much better.
You can however fit them.
It likely doesn't make difference at ordinary car level.
But I think on a High Performance car, if you've got the option stick with the AO/MO/N1/whatever option (Audi/Mercedes/Porsche/Whatever)
jimmy156 said:
So i ordered from black circles.... and when they arrived (and were fitted) low and behold they are OE for alfa romeo. In an email conversation with them now about whether its an issue or not and if they will send me out a different set of tyres if it is. They have some BMW marked ones...
Does anyone know if Pirelli P Zero were every standard fit on the R56 MINI?
Nothing is ever straight forward!
Go and have a drive. If you're happy with how the car feels, keep them, if you're not, get them replaced and report back if you can notice the difference between the BMW and Alfa version. A lot of people, including automotive journos wouldn't be able to.Does anyone know if Pirelli P Zero were every standard fit on the R56 MINI?
Nothing is ever straight forward!
jimmy156 said:
So i ordered from black circles.... and when they arrived (and were fitted) low and behold they are OE for alfa romeo. In an email conversation with them now about whether its an issue or not and if they will send me out a different set of tyres if it is. They have some BMW marked ones...
Does anyone know if Pirelli P Zero were every standard fit on the R56 MINI?
Nothing is ever straight forward!
You are making something of nothing.Does anyone know if Pirelli P Zero were every standard fit on the R56 MINI?
Nothing is ever straight forward!
DoubleSix said:
jimmy156 said:
So i ordered from black circles.... and when they arrived (and were fitted) low and behold they are OE for alfa romeo. In an email conversation with them now about whether its an issue or not and if they will send me out a different set of tyres if it is. They have some BMW marked ones...
Does anyone know if Pirelli P Zero were every standard fit on the R56 MINI?
Nothing is ever straight forward!
You are making something of nothing.Does anyone know if Pirelli P Zero were every standard fit on the R56 MINI?
Nothing is ever straight forward!
littleredrooster said:
DoubleSix said:
jimmy156 said:
So i ordered from black circles.... and when they arrived (and were fitted) low and behold they are OE for alfa romeo. In an email conversation with them now about whether its an issue or not and if they will send me out a different set of tyres if it is. They have some BMW marked ones...
Does anyone know if Pirelli P Zero were every standard fit on the R56 MINI?
Nothing is ever straight forward!
You are making something of nothing.Does anyone know if Pirelli P Zero were every standard fit on the R56 MINI?
Nothing is ever straight forward!
ETA: I bit of research suggests that the AR marked ones were OE equipment for the 4C...
Edited by jimmy156 on Saturday 27th February 14:45
In that precise case, these are tyres made for the Alfa 4C, front axle. It's highly probable that they will have characteristics that are different from the usual requirements of a FWD hatch, such as lower lifespan, higher grip, softer sidewalls. They'll also probably be engineered to run at low pressure, due to the low weight with which they are supposed to develop temperature on their OE application.
They probably won't be dangerous as such, but you may not get what you want of them.
They probably won't be dangerous as such, but you may not get what you want of them.
Frances The Mute said:
Any OE marked tyre will have been developed for use with a specific vehicle or range of vehicles. The reality is, 99% of drivers will note not a jot of difference if they were to compare,them with a standard tyre.
The OE tyres will have been engineered to fit with the official fuel economy testing, amongst other things. I sometimes wonder whether this is why stiff runflats have become popular with some manufacturers although less popular with their customers...Ozzie Osmond said:
Frances The Mute said:
Any OE marked tyre will have been developed for use with a specific vehicle or range of vehicles. The reality is, 99% of drivers will note not a jot of difference if they were to compare,them with a standard tyre.
The OE tyres will have been engineered to fit with the official fuel economy testing, amongst other things. I sometimes wonder whether this is why stiff runflats have become popular with some manufacturers although less popular with their customers...jon- said:
Ozzie Osmond said:
Frances The Mute said:
Any OE marked tyre will have been developed for use with a specific vehicle or range of vehicles. The reality is, 99% of drivers will note not a jot of difference if they were to compare,them with a standard tyre.
The OE tyres will have been engineered to fit with the official fuel economy testing, amongst other things. I sometimes wonder whether this is why stiff runflats have become popular with some manufacturers although less popular with their customers...DoubleSix said:
You are making something of nothing.
+1It's just a marking to say that that particular tyre is homologated for a particular manufacturer. That's it. You'll probably end up paying a bit more for that privilege but so long as it's the right size & load rating for your car it will be fine.
Frankly stuff like that only becomes relevant on high end stuff where (in some cases) you need the approved tyres in order to maintain a warranty. Even then it is in my opinion not a guarantee of anything, the homologated tyres might even be less effective than something else that has been released more recently.
Edited by Durzel on Monday 29th February 15:55
Point A:
Blackcircles have said they will swap them FOC to some BMW marked ones... Part of me thinks it would be silly not to, part of me thinks that its a waste of time changing them.
gonzales_turbo said:
In that precise case, these are tyres made for the Alfa 4C, front axle. It's highly probable that they will have characteristics that are different from the usual requirements of a FWD hatch, such as lower lifespan, higher grip, softer sidewalls. They'll also probably be engineered to run at low pressure, due to the low weight with which they are supposed to develop temperature on their OE application.
They probably won't be dangerous as such, but you may not get what you want of them.
Point B:They probably won't be dangerous as such, but you may not get what you want of them.
Durzel said:
+1
It's just a marking to say that that particular tyre is homologated for a particular manufacturer. That's it. You'll probably end up paying a bit more for that privilege but so long as it's the right size & load rating for your car it will be fine.
Frankly stuff like that only becomes relevant on high end stuff where (in some cases) you need the approved tyres in order to maintain a warranty. Even then it is in my opinion not a guarantee of anything, the homologated tyres might even be less effective than something else that has been released more recently.
Not sure which view to take! They seem fine after 200 miles on the back of the MINI, but will they end up wearing significantly quicker as they were designed for the lightweight, nimble 4C? Part of me feels that any change to a tyres construction must be very minor, else the manufacturer would surely just use another tyre.It's just a marking to say that that particular tyre is homologated for a particular manufacturer. That's it. You'll probably end up paying a bit more for that privilege but so long as it's the right size & load rating for your car it will be fine.
Frankly stuff like that only becomes relevant on high end stuff where (in some cases) you need the approved tyres in order to maintain a warranty. Even then it is in my opinion not a guarantee of anything, the homologated tyres might even be less effective than something else that has been released more recently.
Edited by Durzel on Monday 29th February 15:55
Blackcircles have said they will swap them FOC to some BMW marked ones... Part of me thinks it would be silly not to, part of me thinks that its a waste of time changing them.
Well Durzel is right in 90% of cases. But here it is quite specific. If the OE is a FWD and you put the tire on a FWD, you'll be fine, in most cases even FWD to RWD, if front-engined. But front engined and mid-engined cars do have significant differences.
It was at a time admitted that if you bought the Subaru spec of Bridgestone RE040 for a VX220, you would completely unbalance the car. The subaru spec tyre was wider, stiffer, and would run at higher pressures. This made for generous oversteer. And in online stores, it was very easy to buy the wrong one, which made for a large number of testers...
It was at a time admitted that if you bought the Subaru spec of Bridgestone RE040 for a VX220, you would completely unbalance the car. The subaru spec tyre was wider, stiffer, and would run at higher pressures. This made for generous oversteer. And in online stores, it was very easy to buy the wrong one, which made for a large number of testers...
jimmy156 said:
Not sure which view to take! They seem fine after 200 miles on the back of the MINI, but will they end up wearing significantly quicker as they were designed for the lightweight, nimble 4C? Part of me feels that any change to a tyres construction must be very minor, else the manufacturer would surely just use another tyre.
Blackcircles have said they will swap them FOC to some BMW marked ones... Part of me thinks it would be silly not to, part of me thinks that its a waste of time changing them.
If you change them, before you do, note down the EC number and the DOT number and the dateBlackcircles have said they will swap them FOC to some BMW marked ones... Part of me thinks it would be silly not to, part of me thinks that its a waste of time changing them.
These are the type approval numbers, if these match, they are the exact same tyre, and you have proved OE tyre marking are pure marketing fluff and that pretty much everything spouted on this thread is b
ks, and the supplier is either an idiot for not knowing, or really committed to helping maintain the global tyre marketing conspiracy.If they don't match and the dates are similar, then there might be some substance to what people have said.
jimmy156 said:
So i ordered from black circles.... and when they arrived (and were fitted) low and behold they are OE for alfa romeo. In an email conversation with them now about whether its an issue or not and if they will send me out a different set of tyres if it is. They have some BMW marked ones...
Does anyone know if Pirelli P Zero were every standard fit on the R56 MINI?
Nothing is ever straight forward!
Do you manage to dress yourself in the morning?Does anyone know if Pirelli P Zero were every standard fit on the R56 MINI?
Nothing is ever straight forward!
What a ridiculous thread!
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