Expert advice please on these photos
Expert advice please on these photos
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sweedy10

Original Poster:

8 posts

40 months

Wednesday 16th November 2022
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My car developed a fault in the wet I felt a pull and suddenly the car veered across the road and spun sliding the nearside of the car side on into a parked car. When I got out of the car I noticed the drivers offside wheel was next to me and had come off. I have since had photographs taken of the wheel and I attach them (6 photos). can anyone advise in their expert opinion on what was the probable cause. thank You.








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Triumph Man

9,440 posts

191 months

Wednesday 16th November 2022
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something has snapped off that knuckle

Dogwatch

6,365 posts

245 months

Wednesday 16th November 2022
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Discs don’t appear to have had much to do recently.

normalbloke

8,465 posts

242 months

Wednesday 16th November 2022
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Definitely a TPS issue…

simon_harris

2,599 posts

57 months

Wednesday 16th November 2022
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that alloy wheel looks like it has been broken a while as well, is this the picture you meant to post OP?

SkodaIan

934 posts

108 months

Wednesday 16th November 2022
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What's happened to the rest of the wheel and the tyre? Was it like that immediately after the crash, or has it been cut apart since.
If the tyre and half the wheel were missing at that point, I'd guess the wheel gave way first and anything else which broke was because of that.

thebraketester

15,489 posts

161 months

Wednesday 16th November 2022
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Hard to say which failed first… the lower wishbone-ball joint interface or the steering arm..

njw1

2,660 posts

134 months

Wednesday 16th November 2022
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sweedy10 said:
My car developed a fault in the wet I felt a pull and suddenly the car veered across the road and spun sliding the nearside of the car side on into a parked car...
...can anyone advise in their expert opinion on what was the probable cause?

I'm not an expert but you aquaplaned and smashed your car to bits on a parked car?

NDA

24,757 posts

248 months

Wednesday 16th November 2022
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normalbloke said:
Definitely a TPS issue…
That's my thinking too. Also the valve caps might be too tight.

Draxindustries1

1,657 posts

46 months

Wednesday 16th November 2022
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Bottom ball joint has parted company with the bottom arm,, looks very rusty. This failing on its own will have caused the rest of the damage.
Looks like a siezed brake caliper as well going by the very rusty brake disc.

VeeReihenmotor6

2,538 posts

198 months

Wednesday 16th November 2022
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Not going to pretend to be an expert but the bend on this wishbone (circled) looks like impact damage that inturn has fataly fractured the alloy and destroyed the outer components (ball joint, track rod).

If i was to guess it would be an impact akin to hitting a kerb head on at speed.


stevieturbo

17,956 posts

270 months

Wednesday 16th November 2022
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Need some background to this.

For a wheel to break like that, is pretty huge.

The steering arm has clearly broken and with rusty ends, suggesting it has been in a bad way for quite some time ? Or how old are the photos from when the incident occurred ?

And then the wheel/hub etc has got ripped off the car during the incident.

Has the car ever had any maintenance or inspections by even a half competent person ?

When you say it "developed a fault"...does that mean it happened over time, or instantly ? Did you hit a buffalo or something ? Or a huge sink hole ?

Bizarre for that part of the hub/steering arm to fail without having had some sort of direct impact. I would doubt the wheel itself failed first leading to it

It is pretty impressive damage. Are there any marks on the other part of the wheel to suggest something maybe cut into it over time causing it to fail ?

helix402

7,913 posts

205 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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All the suspension is very rusty and looks to have been so for a long time. Routine servicing would probably have picked this up.

wolf1

3,091 posts

273 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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I smell a new poster looking for someone else to point the finger at.

tapkaJohnD

2,000 posts

227 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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That must have been an enormous impact! Suspension parts torn off, and actually broken. This doesn't happen in the sort of side swipe implied above. But if it was at the time described in the OP, or previously, with subsequent failure leading to the incident, cannot be said from the pics.
John

E-bmw

12,221 posts

175 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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Lack of maintenance and routine condition checks/poor suspension & brake condition/large pot-hole type impact causing major failure IMHO.

sweedy10

Original Poster:

8 posts

40 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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Hi I am new to this but thank you for looking and replying .. can you see all 6 pics? and to confirm - the tyre was off and the wheel looked like that - a local vehicle garage looked at these and concurred that the lower ball joint bracket has snapped off causing the drive shaft to come out .. and then all the rest - so thank you - has anyone seen a wheel that looks so split ? could that have been a weak weld as the original cause or would you expect the ball joint to remain and everything else in situ ? Thanks again.

CraigyMc

18,168 posts

259 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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Dogwatch said:
Discs don’t appear to have had much to do recently.
Only on one side though!

sweedy10

Original Poster:

8 posts

40 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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the part lay in the boot of the car for 3 weeks after the crash - it probably had rain on it at the time but the volkswagen was 22 years old so not modern... its just sat in the recovery bay awaiting insurance ... who havnt bothered to inspect it ...

stevieturbo

17,956 posts

270 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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The balljoint has not snapped off. It has been ripped out of the arm by whatever circumstances the car found itself in.

Whether that was your impact with something else, you hitting something or a large body of water that caused you to lose control.....but you can be 99% certain the balljoint didn't just get like that randomly driving down the road.

The actual driveshaft is largely irrelevant. Main point is the broken wheel, steering arm and less so the bent wishbone/balljoint

If the steering arm broke first, it could lead to the rest getting ripped apart. the wheel is perhaps the strangest part of the failure.