Different tyres (but similar quality) front and rear?

Different tyres (but similar quality) front and rear?

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rawenghey

Original Poster:

534 posts

35 months

Friday 30th December 2022
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Hi all.

Just wondering what people's thoughts are on this.

My Cayman has Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2 N0 tyres all round. The fronts need replacing, but the rears have loads of tread and are much newer. I don't want to needlessly replace all 4 tyres. The issue is the Asymmetric 2s are old now - I think they've just released Asymmetric 6s - so I'm having trouble finding any.

What's the opinion on fitting a pair of either newer model of Goodyear Eagle F1s or a similar high performance tyre, like MPS4S? Obviously identically sized as the incumbents so 235/35/20.

Car is in warranty so need to ensure they are Nx rated as far as I'm aware.

Thanks.

Xenoous

1,740 posts

72 months

Friday 30th December 2022
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the 2s are a decade old now, what is the DOT date? At this point I'd probably just replace all 4, you'll notice a huge difference in handling if you ever drive the Cayman the way it's supposed to be driven.

rawenghey

Original Poster:

534 posts

35 months

Friday 30th December 2022
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The fronts are 2015 (the originals fitted to the car), but the rears are 2020.

Scrump

23,384 posts

172 months

Friday 30th December 2022
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I did similar on my E class and I lived to tell the tale, although I did notice that when changing direction at speed the front and the rear of the car did not react at the same time, hard to explain. When I put 4 matching tyres on it the strange disconnect between front and rear disappeared.

stevieturbo

17,745 posts

261 months

Friday 30th December 2022
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A quick google suggests options are few.

Michelin or Pirelli seem to be the two that pop up with an N rating.

If you just drive like a normal person, I wouldn't have any concerns about either tyre.

If you drive like a maniac at times, then all 4 is maybe a better idea, but really largely unnecessary.

Online Camskill seems to be a little cheaper than the others.

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m63b0s7691p0/Car_Tyres_...

wyson

3,402 posts

118 months

Friday 30th December 2022
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I guess it depends on if you want the last word in handling and how much tread the rears have left.

Rears down to 3.5mm, track day regularly, change the lot.

Rears at 5mm, use it as a fancy commuter car, get the newer model of the same make.

I tried mixing tyres front and rear, on a boggo Golf, couldn’t really feel a difference driving around town, but the car was unsettled when pushing on, sometimes to an alarming degree. So I ended up matching all four tyres within a couple of months and it went back to feeling normal. This was mixing touring tyres on the sporty end (Continental Premium Contact 5) and eco end of the scales though (Goodyear Efficient Grip Performance 2). I reckon if I mixed Premium Contact 5’s and 6’s the difference wouldn’t have been as pronounced.

Edited by wyson on Friday 30th December 11:21

Carbon Sasquatch

5,006 posts

78 months

Friday 30th December 2022
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I learnt this one the hard way..... On any moderately performance car, all 4 matching.

You want the car behaving as the chassis engineers designed it - when you have tyres behaving differently you lose that. It's made worse when there is inconsistency across conditions - sometimes the fronts grip better, other times the rears.

It you drive like Miss Daisy, then nothing to worry about - otherwise, it will always be a question at the back of your mind.

rawenghey

Original Poster:

534 posts

35 months

Friday 30th December 2022
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Thanks for the replies all.

Annoying to have to bin two perfectly good tyres. As it happens I can't get anything at the moment anyway. Asymmetric 5 or PS4 would be my preferred choice, but they're like rocking horse st it seems. The tyres one notch above those are widely available though - Michelin PS4S and Eagle F1 SuperSports. Looking at the data from tyre-reviews YouTube channel, you do appear to lose a little bit of wet performance with those "UUHP" tyres, and I don't like the idea of that in a car that's quite prone to a spot of aquaplaning as it is laugh

Think I'll wait a month or so and see if availability improves.

Trevor555

4,709 posts

98 months

Friday 30th December 2022
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Not sure about Caymans but I had a Bmw Z3 that just didn't feel quite right.

Low mileage, original fronts, newish rears, good make but can't remember which.

After spending money on inspections, tracking etc, changed set of wheels for another with matching tyres.

Perfect.

GreenV8S

30,800 posts

298 months

Friday 30th December 2022
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The reason they're different now is that front and rear have worn at different rates in the past. No doubt the new ones will continue to do so. It's perfectly normal and expected. If you insist on replacing all four at the same time every time, you'll be throwing away a lot of good tyres.

Pica-Pica

15,141 posts

98 months

Friday 30th December 2022
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Carbon Sasquatch said:
I learnt this one the hard way..... On any moderately performance car, all 4 matching.

You want the car behaving as the chassis engineers designed it - when you have tyres behaving differently you lose that. It's made worse when there is inconsistency across conditions - sometimes the fronts grip better, other times the rears.

It you drive like Miss Daisy, then nothing to worry about - otherwise, it will always be a question at the back of your mind.
Miss Daisy didn’t drive.

Carbon Sasquatch

5,006 posts

78 months

Friday 30th December 2022
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Pica-Pica said:
Miss Daisy didn’t drive.
Is a very good point - I stand corrected - 'unless you drive like Miss Daisy is sitting into back' smile