brake pads not fitting
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Hi. Sorry if this is wrong forum.
I bought pads and discs 6 years ago! We dont do many miles. I just checked today and same brake pads are coming up for mini cooper r56 2010.
i.e. Eicher pad 101110509
Anyway, I fitted them today but pads didn't fit. Can't return them given its 6 years ago
The issue is that the 2 nibs on back of outer pad are too far apart and don't let the caliper fit. The original pads do have the nibs, but closer together, so caliper fits fine... you can see that on back of old pad. I'll attach a photo if I can. To get me going I filed the 2 nibs off the 2 new outer pads so I could fit the calipers. So 2 questions...
1. What is purpose of the 2 nibs and is it OK to file them down to allow the caliper to fit? I assume just to locate shim.
2. What front pads should I use? Am I the only person to come across this issue?
I bought pads and discs 6 years ago! We dont do many miles. I just checked today and same brake pads are coming up for mini cooper r56 2010.
i.e. Eicher pad 101110509
Anyway, I fitted them today but pads didn't fit. Can't return them given its 6 years ago
The issue is that the 2 nibs on back of outer pad are too far apart and don't let the caliper fit. The original pads do have the nibs, but closer together, so caliper fits fine... you can see that on back of old pad. I'll attach a photo if I can. To get me going I filed the 2 nibs off the 2 new outer pads so I could fit the calipers. So 2 questions...
1. What is purpose of the 2 nibs and is it OK to file them down to allow the caliper to fit? I assume just to locate shim.
2. What front pads should I use? Am I the only person to come across this issue?
Always a pita
Last year, ordered rear pads for my Skoda Superb online, eurocarparts.
Didn’t fit, swapped for the right ones.
Today changed the front pads (1st time @ 82k miles!)
Whet to the depot. They looked it up & bought a set. Wrong ones.. went back later with one i’d removed & swapped to the other version for my model year.. Fitted in less time than driving to get the right ones!
£32 for Brembo & an hours work. Local indy wanted £150.
Last year, ordered rear pads for my Skoda Superb online, eurocarparts.
Didn’t fit, swapped for the right ones.
Today changed the front pads (1st time @ 82k miles!)
Whet to the depot. They looked it up & bought a set. Wrong ones.. went back later with one i’d removed & swapped to the other version for my model year.. Fitted in less time than driving to get the right ones!
£32 for Brembo & an hours work. Local indy wanted £150.
yes what a nightmare. I think I've found the correct pads now got to wait till tomorrow to pick them up. bosch ones look like my originals.
I eventually sussed my issue, from photos on Internet Eicher do pads with same part number (the number ecp use).
Same number but different pad configurations ie position of pins that squeal shim attaches to.! as you say pita.
I guess I could have removed shim and ground pins down flush with backplate.
don't forget to add the amount of time googling to try and find parts that fit... and browsing forums
I eventually sussed my issue, from photos on Internet Eicher do pads with same part number (the number ecp use).
Same number but different pad configurations ie position of pins that squeal shim attaches to.! as you say pita.
I guess I could have removed shim and ground pins down flush with backplate.
don't forget to add the amount of time googling to try and find parts that fit... and browsing forums
Just some lessons learnt from me. Obviously only intended for novices looking for help, not experts who already know this stuff.
1. Don't rely on part number derived from car registration when ordering brake pads (at least not Eicher ones).
2. Check new pads against existing ones including: shape, dimensions AND location of any protrusions on pad backplates. e.g.pins for mounting squeal shims
3. After replacing discs check (eyeball) that disc protection guard has plenty of clearance from inner disc before refitting wheel. I checked by rotating disc which appeared fine but on test drive on hard right lock got scraping noise. No big issue to bend guard back a bit but would have saved an additional step if I had eyeballed first.
4. Don't forget to tighten wheelnuts properly after lowering car off jack/ stands BEFORE taking for test drive ahem
1. Don't rely on part number derived from car registration when ordering brake pads (at least not Eicher ones).
2. Check new pads against existing ones including: shape, dimensions AND location of any protrusions on pad backplates. e.g.pins for mounting squeal shims
3. After replacing discs check (eyeball) that disc protection guard has plenty of clearance from inner disc before refitting wheel. I checked by rotating disc which appeared fine but on test drive on hard right lock got scraping noise. No big issue to bend guard back a bit but would have saved an additional step if I had eyeballed first.
4. Don't forget to tighten wheelnuts properly after lowering car off jack/ stands BEFORE taking for test drive ahem
Fair enough.
I would add, don't buy Eicher. Or the cheapest version available of anything. A wiser man than me once wrote,
"There is hardly anything in the world that cannot be made a little worse and sold a little cheaper, and those who consider price alone are that man's lawful prey. It's unwise to pay too much, but it's worse to pay too little. When you pay too much, you lose a little money – that is all. When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do. The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot – it can't be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will have enough to pay for something better."
Attrib. John Ruskin
I would add, don't buy Eicher. Or the cheapest version available of anything. A wiser man than me once wrote,
"There is hardly anything in the world that cannot be made a little worse and sold a little cheaper, and those who consider price alone are that man's lawful prey. It's unwise to pay too much, but it's worse to pay too little. When you pay too much, you lose a little money – that is all. When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do. The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot – it can't be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will have enough to pay for something better."
Attrib. John Ruskin
or a more succinct version...buy cheap, buy twice
mind you nowadays who knows what we are buying. Apparently Bosch have a variety of lines, ones I got similarly priced to Eicher and Brembo. They have a budget line so probably no better than Eicher? That said the Bosch ones did fit with no grinding/ filing of backplates required. Always Bosch from now on for me. Have used Pagid on other cars before but needed to file off hammerite type coating off lugs. Will be interesting to see how the Eicher discs hold up. The original discs have lasted 50K miles with mainly town driving and were a little under minimum thickness. I'm convinced I have changed pads since we got the car though, they had about 5mm on them. If wife were a racing type driver I'd look into it a bit more but she's not, so standard stuff will suffice. The brand for me is all about will they fit or not and Eicher didn't.
Those of us who do this for a living are frequently encountering/being enticed with newer cheaper brands. It's not just about price, it's not just about labels; there is some really poor stuff being peddled out there, but after a while you get to know the brands you can trust. We have an additional (ie professional) responsibility, but it scares me to think of the cars I and my loved ones share the road with, driving around on 'budget' parts often fitted by hands that don't know the difference anyway.
yes I agree 100%. I'd never knowingly use junk but as a DIYer it's hard to know what's good and what isn't. Not just brake pads but everything we buy nowadays. I loke bosch tools but with tools a lot seem just branded generic stuff. e.g. I bought a mA clamp meter last year £40 - £50. Looking around what looked like the very same devices albeit different colours ranged from £40 -£200!
Bloody minefield really.
As a matter of interest, being in the game what brand pads and discs would/ do you use? Normal use not track racing or boy racing style etc?
Bloody minefield really.
As a matter of interest, being in the game what brand pads and discs would/ do you use? Normal use not track racing or boy racing style etc?
So, first of all, brake pads will often appear not to fit because of corrosion on the carrier. Remove the carrier, and carefully file off the corrosion, until the carrier is nice and clean.
If they still don't fit, take the file to the pad, until it does. Then lub the pads a little on the sliding faces with a ceramic grease.
I do this for a living, and this is what I tend to do.
But then, I don't buy Eichler pads (or whatever they are called). My current favourite is Allied Nippon, simply because they DO fit - out of the box every time, with no filing.
If they still don't fit, take the file to the pad, until it does. Then lub the pads a little on the sliding faces with a ceramic grease.
I do this for a living, and this is what I tend to do.
But then, I don't buy Eichler pads (or whatever they are called). My current favourite is Allied Nippon, simply because they DO fit - out of the box every time, with no filing.
sadsyndrome said:
I'd never knowingly use junk but as a DIYer it's hard to know what's good and what isn't. Not just brake pads
As a matter of interest, being in the game what brand pads and discs would/ do you use? Normal use not track racing or boy racing style etc?
All replacement friction materials sold in UK & EU Are subject to a test which compares with the OE Fitment on vehicles produced since early 90's. Those in the trade will be aware of "Regulation 90" but I suppose buyers such as yourself will be unaware.As a matter of interest, being in the game what brand pads and discs would/ do you use? Normal use not track racing or boy racing style etc?
Here's a brief description about it. - https://youtu.be/793VJhdyzDs?feature=shared&t=...
Should start @ 4:20.
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