EV range affected by Cross Climate 2 tyres?

[VerySideways]

I've been looking around (not just on PH) and struggling to find any real world owner reviews on switching to Cross Climates with an EV, specifically in regards to effect on range.

Anyone here got any experiences to share?

I've got an i4 and the stock 19" Hankooks are almost done, torn between PS4* and CC2 for my next set.

[mmm-five]

What are the relative rolling resistance grades on the tyre labels?

If they're the same, you probably won't see any difference.

Don't forget to ensure the tyre is suitable for an EV (i.e. load rating, construction reinforced sidewall, etc.).

[VerySideways]

mmm-five said:

What are the relative rolling resistance grades on the tyre labels?

If they're the same, you probably won't see any difference.

Don't forget to ensure the tyre is suitable for an EV (i.e. load rating, construction reinforced sidewall, etc.).

A for the current (summer) tyres, C for the Cross Climate 2s (and the GY Vector 4 Seasons G3).

[mmm-five]

VerySideways said:

A for the current (summer) tyres, C for the Cross Climate 2s (and the GY Vector 4 Seasons G3).

Well, it's supposed to be 7.5% between A and G (so about 1.25% increase per band), so I'd estimate 2.5% worse for the CC2 over the PS4.

You may find the colder weather has more effect on your range than the tyre...but both of these should be countered by the extra 'security' in poor conditions of the all-season.

[stevieturbo]

VerySideways said:

I've been looking around (not just on PH) and struggling to find any real world owner reviews on switching to Cross Climates with an EV, specifically in regards to effect on range.

Anyone here got any experiences to share?

I've got an i4 and the stock 19" Hankooks are almost done, torn between PS4* and CC2 for my next set.

One is very much a dry, good weather, rain kinda tyre. The other all weather.

Hard to put the two in the same basket really ?

Which sort of climate does the car spend the majority of its time ?

[VerySideways]

stevieturbo said:

One is very much a dry, good weather, rain kinda tyre. The other all weather.

Hard to put the two in the same basket really ?

Which sort of climate does the car spend the majority of its time ?

I live in Gloucestershire but i'm in the hills so we get snow pretty much every winter and it's often very cold for a good few months.

I've had a set of winter wheels for my main car for the last 12/15 years or so but with the i4 i'm tempted to just switch to Cross Climates rather than having to deal with a second set of wheels for it. My garage is already bursting at the seams with cars and bicycles so another set of wheels would be a pain.

I know a few people who run Cross Climates all year round and i do think they would suit my purposes perfectly, i was just curious about the range impact.

[VerySideways]

mmm-five said:

Well, it's supposed to be 7.5% between A and G (so about 1.25% increase per band), so I'd estimate 2.5% worse for the CC2 over the PS4.

You may find the colder weather has more effect on your range than the tyre...but both of these should be countered by the extra 'security' in poor conditions of the all-season.

I think you're right. My summer range on 80% charge is typically around the 250 mile mark, in winter at 80% charge it's more like 190 miles.
I don't think the CC2's will make a massive difference, certainly less than the ambient temperature does.

[stevieturbo]

VerySideways said:

I live in Gloucestershire but i'm in the hills so we get snow pretty much every winter and it's often very cold for a good few months.

I've had a set of winter wheels for my main car for the last 12/15 years or so but with the i4 i'm tempted to just switch to Cross Climates rather than having to deal with a second set of wheels for it. My garage is already bursting at the seams with cars and bicycles so another set of wheels would be a pain.

I know a few people who run Cross Climates all year round and i do think they would suit my purposes perfectly, i was just curious about the range impact.

I'd be wanting the grip/usefulness before any minor concerns about range difference.

[E-bmw]

stevieturbo said:

I'd be wanting the grip/usefulness before any minor concerns about range difference.

I have to admit, I am with you there.

Tyres are designed for one thing (IMHO) and that is to keep you attached to the road, why on earth would I want to add further compromises into the mix?

[VerySideways]

E-bmw said:

stevieturbo said:

I'd be wanting the grip/usefulness before any minor concerns about range difference.

I have to admit, I am with you there.

Tyres are designed for one thing (IMHO) and that is to keep you attached to the road, why on earth would I want to add further compromises into the mix?

My point is that if Cross Climates work well for my purposes then i wouldn't need a separate set of winters and summers as i've been running for the past 15 years or so. If the range impact from the Cross Climates is large then i'd be more inclined to go for winters and summers.

[MustangGT]

VerySideways said:

My point is that if Cross Climates work well for my purposes then i wouldn't need a separate set of winters and summers as i've been running for the past 15 years or so. If the range impact from the Cross Climates is large then i'd be more inclined to go for winters and summers.

It would take a lot of miles/years for the range difference to exceed the extra cost of a second set of tyres or wheels/tyres.

[Pica-Pica]

MustangGT said:

VerySideways said:

My point is that if Cross Climates work well for my purposes then i wouldn't need a separate set of winters and summers as i've been running for the past 15 years or so. If the range impact from the Cross Climates is large then i'd be more inclined to go for winters and summers.

It would take a lot of miles/years for the range difference to exceed the extra cost of a second set of tyres or wheels/tyres.

Absolutely.
As others have written elsewhere (including Jon of TyreReviews); if you need some (less severe) winter performance, consider all seasons for winter and then (decide later if you need) another set of summer tyres.
Also consider Goodyear Vector 4Seasons.

https://www.tyrereviews.com/Compare/Vector-4Season...

Edited by Pica-Pica on Friday 22 December 18:15

[VerySideways]

MustangGT said:

VerySideways said:

My point is that if Cross Climates work well for my purposes then i wouldn't need a separate set of winters and summers as i've been running for the past 15 years or so. If the range impact from the Cross Climates is large then i'd be more inclined to go for winters and summers.

It would take a lot of miles/years for the range difference to exceed the extra cost of a second set of tyres or wheels/tyres.

Actually not.
Having run a second set of wheels and tyres for well over a decade this isn't my experience.
I usually buy genuine winter wheel sets with tyres from Germany, lightly used, and run them for 2 or 3 winters and then sell them for what i paid for them - net cost zero.
And of course whilst i'm running the winters i'm not using the summers, which saves on wear on those.
YMMV.

[VerySideways]

Pica-Pica said:

Absolutely.
As others have written elsewhere (including Jon of TyreReviews); if you need some (less severe) winter performance, consider all seasons for winter and then (decide later if you need) another set of summer tyres.
Also consider Goodyear Vector 4Seasons.

https://www.tyrereviews.com/Compare/Vector-4Season...

The Vectors are great, i'll look into those too and see if my sizes are available.

[Sheepshanks]

VerySideways said:

I usually buy genuine winter wheel sets with tyres from Germany, lightly used, and run them for 2 or 3 winters and then sell them for what i paid for them - net cost zero.

Are you sourcing them through eBay etc?


On the original point, I read an argument that winter tyres made up for their increased rolling resistance by not losing power through slippage.

[E-bmw]

Sheepshanks said:

VerySideways said:

I usually buy genuine winter wheel sets with tyres from Germany, lightly used, and run them for 2 or 3 winters and then sell them for what i paid for them - net cost zero.

Are you sourcing them through eBay etc?

That is certainly what I do, current car is a V40 running on Alpin 5s bought last year for around £330 for all 4, which is the same price as 2 new ones, they still had the paint between the treads & 7mm of tread on their second winter with me & still over 6mm all round.

Wheels were £80 a set on ebay & a few rattle cans later a perfectly usable winter set for around £450 all-in.

[MustangGT]

VerySideways said:

MustangGT said:

VerySideways said:

My point is that if Cross Climates work well for my purposes then i wouldn't need a separate set of winters and summers as i've been running for the past 15 years or so. If the range impact from the Cross Climates is large then i'd be more inclined to go for winters and summers.

It would take a lot of miles/years for the range difference to exceed the extra cost of a second set of tyres or wheels/tyres.

Actually not.
Having run a second set of wheels and tyres for well over a decade this isn't my experience.
I usually buy genuine winter wheel sets with tyres from Germany, lightly used, and run them for 2 or 3 winters and then sell them for what i paid for them - net cost zero.
And of course whilst i'm running the winters i'm not using the summers, which saves on wear on those.
YMMV.

I used to run 2 sets myself. You cannot ignore the cost of the wheels themselves, or storage space/cost. If doing low miles then two sets of tyres will likely need changing almost as often as a single set due to deterioration.