All season tyres
Discussion
Looking at buying a new car (Lexus NX) and considering getting it with all seasons as it seems a simpler option than having a spare set of wheels with winters and we do go to Germany a few times a year where they're a legal requirement in certain conditions. Realistically I'm not going to driving around in snow that often, but probably will be driving on wet roads in single digit temperatures a lot.
The manufacturers don't offer an all season option, but the dealers say they can arrange with a local tyre place to take the standard tyres as part ex and swap to all seasons. I believe the standard tyres are runflats so I will need to check with the dealer what tyres they'll offer.
On a smallish SUV like that am I going to notice any difference in summer compared to normal summer tyres?
The manufacturers don't offer an all season option, but the dealers say they can arrange with a local tyre place to take the standard tyres as part ex and swap to all seasons. I believe the standard tyres are runflats so I will need to check with the dealer what tyres they'll offer.
On a smallish SUV like that am I going to notice any difference in summer compared to normal summer tyres?
Have always used all season tyres on our current RR Evoque and the Kia Sportage we had before it. Have never encountered any problems using all season tyres on either of them all year around. For us it is a no brainer, for nornal everyday summer driving there is no perceivable difference between them and summer rated tyres, the difference in snowy conditions is night and day. Both cars performed flawlessly in snowy conditions on the all seasons.
We have Goodyear Vectors All Season 3s on our C class estate and Continental all-season (can’t remember the name, latest versions) on Mrs DSs SLK 350 which is 276bhp in a tiny car (255/18 rear, 225 front) and they’re great.
I was watching an interesting comparison in some strange controlled climate tunnel test (think it was Jon @ tyre reviews) and basically what it came down to was that all seasons perform better in all regimes below 15C and above 15C it was so close as to not matter (if memory serves).
The way I look at it is that I’d fit them to everything - we live on a chilly, damp island. Wet grip is king. Melting tarmac weather is as rare as snow. All seasons for our climate perfectly. They really ought to be standard fit nowadays.
I was watching an interesting comparison in some strange controlled climate tunnel test (think it was Jon @ tyre reviews) and basically what it came down to was that all seasons perform better in all regimes below 15C and above 15C it was so close as to not matter (if memory serves).
The way I look at it is that I’d fit them to everything - we live on a chilly, damp island. Wet grip is king. Melting tarmac weather is as rare as snow. All seasons for our climate perfectly. They really ought to be standard fit nowadays.
Cheers, that sounds like an overwhelming vote for all seasons, I'll get a quote from the dealer.
CABC said:
thread hijack, though op might be interested.
how do all seasons fair in mud, muddy farm tracks & wet fields?
better I'm sure, but by much?
Presumably the old Mud and Snow rated ones were designs for that, but the current German rules need the new Alpine symbol so may be different in mud? how do all seasons fair in mud, muddy farm tracks & wet fields?
better I'm sure, but by much?
RizzoTheRat said:
CABC said:
thread hijack, though op might be interested.
how do all seasons fair in mud, muddy farm tracks & wet fields?
better I'm sure, but by much?
Presumably the old Mud and Snow rated ones were designs for that, but the current German rules need the new Alpine symbol so may be different in mud? how do all seasons fair in mud, muddy farm tracks & wet fields?
better I'm sure, but by much?
Live in the North East of Scotland, drive a 4 motion Tiguan with Michelin Cross Climates all year round. Absolute no brainer. Handles wet, dry, snow, ice and the occasional muddy forest/farm track with ease.
Had Goodyear Vectors on my fiesta before it got written off, again no brainer for the very changeable weather up here.
Had Goodyear Vectors on my fiesta before it got written off, again no brainer for the very changeable weather up here.
CABC said:
thread hijack, though op might be interested.
how do all seasons fair in mud, muddy farm tracks & wet fields?
better I'm sure, but by much?
I have Cross Climate 2s on my Golf Alltrack, and it works fine on a bit if mud. We went to a show a few years back where the parking was on a wet not-flat grassy field and were the first car to make it out unaided. Some people didn't make it in unaided.how do all seasons fair in mud, muddy farm tracks & wet fields?
better I'm sure, but by much?
They won't compete with proper offroad tyres, but for the sorts of places you're realistically going with a crossover or small SY they'll help.
Similarly I don't think they're as good on snow as the Alpin 4s I had on my Yeti, but they're close, and enormously better than summers. They don't seem to give up much the rest of the year either.
RizzoTheRat said:
Cheers, that sounds like an overwhelming vote for all seasons, I'll get a quote from the dealer.
I had a 'discussion' with Land Rover when my Disco Sport came with M+S tyres but the car was advertised as coming with All Seasons. Michelin customer services said they weren't all season but Land Rover said M+S meant they were. In the end I got them changed to Cross Climates which are All Season with M+S. I've been across muddy fields, driven out of mudbath car parks where others were getting stuck without any bother but I do have the 'mud and ruts' button in my car which probably helps!CABC said:
thread hijack, though op might be interested.
how do all seasons fair in mud, muddy farm tracks & wet fields?
better I'm sure, but by much?
Presumably the old Mud and Snow rated ones were designs for that, but the current German rules need the new Alpine symbol so may be different in mud? how do all seasons fair in mud, muddy farm tracks & wet fields?
better I'm sure, but by much?
I've never had any issues with them in summer or winter, lasted about 25,000 miles (when I replaced them with another set), can't really comment on the handling aspects as, well, it's a Land Rover so not exactly a car for testing the limits!
Late last year I swapped my 1.3 Yaris over from the original Dunlop SP Sport Fast Responses to Michelin CC2s.
The CC2s are slightly less pointy than the Dunlops, but they ride slightly better.
The CC2s seem to have a little more grip too, but the Dunlops were 8 years old with an MOT advisory for perishing!
I doubt there would be any significant difference for a car like the NX and, like other posters have mentioned above, I think all season tyres fit the UK climate very well for everyday cars.
Obviously, having got the CC2s, I was massively disappointed that we got almost no snow over the winter and I didn't get the chance to try them out!
The CC2s are slightly less pointy than the Dunlops, but they ride slightly better.
The CC2s seem to have a little more grip too, but the Dunlops were 8 years old with an MOT advisory for perishing!
I doubt there would be any significant difference for a car like the NX and, like other posters have mentioned above, I think all season tyres fit the UK climate very well for everyday cars.
Obviously, having got the CC2s, I was massively disappointed that we got almost no snow over the winter and I didn't get the chance to try them out!
Another all season user here and have been for about the past 8 years.
I'm in Central Scotland so like most places, there's a very mixed bag of weather and the norm seems to be cold, damp, wet... full on blizzard conditions seem rare of late however having run Vredestein Quatrac and Quatrac Pro on a variety of cars, none have ever been reduced to a wheel spinning mess even when the snow does hit. The slight compromise in summer weather / ultimate grip doesn't bother me, none of the cars have been the sort you'd be chasing track day records with so the benefits in poorer conditions far far outweigh the negatives for me.
I've not long since bought a car that came with four new Goodyear summer tyres, they remain on it but I will change them ahead of the colder months reappearing. The Goodyears, strangely seem noisier than the Quatracs (which were fitted on an identical model) however as their tread design is basically five smooth bands running around the tyre with very little cross cut tread, they are utterly s
t on damp grass... it was completely thwarted by the fairly small grass slope out of the paddock a couple of weekends ago. My wife was most confused as previously, no cars on all seasons has had an issue... even when it's been raining for days.
Given the summer Goodyears tread pattern, I suspect they would be absolutely useless in slush / snow conditions... probably dangerously so and hence I have zero desire to put that to the test so I'll run them through summer, but will be swapping come the onslaught of winter and won't be going back.
I'm in Central Scotland so like most places, there's a very mixed bag of weather and the norm seems to be cold, damp, wet... full on blizzard conditions seem rare of late however having run Vredestein Quatrac and Quatrac Pro on a variety of cars, none have ever been reduced to a wheel spinning mess even when the snow does hit. The slight compromise in summer weather / ultimate grip doesn't bother me, none of the cars have been the sort you'd be chasing track day records with so the benefits in poorer conditions far far outweigh the negatives for me.
I've not long since bought a car that came with four new Goodyear summer tyres, they remain on it but I will change them ahead of the colder months reappearing. The Goodyears, strangely seem noisier than the Quatracs (which were fitted on an identical model) however as their tread design is basically five smooth bands running around the tyre with very little cross cut tread, they are utterly s
t on damp grass... it was completely thwarted by the fairly small grass slope out of the paddock a couple of weekends ago. My wife was most confused as previously, no cars on all seasons has had an issue... even when it's been raining for days. Given the summer Goodyears tread pattern, I suspect they would be absolutely useless in slush / snow conditions... probably dangerously so and hence I have zero desire to put that to the test so I'll run them through summer, but will be swapping come the onslaught of winter and won't be going back.
MesoForm said:
I had a 'discussion' with Land Rover when my Disco Sport came with M+S tyres but the car was advertised as coming with All Seasons. Michelin customer services said they weren't all season but Land Rover said M+S meant they were. In the end I got them changed to Cross Climates which are All Season with M+S. I've been across muddy fields, driven out of mudbath car parks where others were getting stuck without any bother but I do have the 'mud and ruts' button in my car which probably helps!
I've never had any issues with them in summer or winter, lasted about 25,000 miles (when I replaced them with another set), can't really comment on the handling aspects as, well, it's a Land Rover so not exactly a car for testing the limits!
That’s useful feedback. (There’s surprisingly little via google on all seasons in mud)I've never had any issues with them in summer or winter, lasted about 25,000 miles (when I replaced them with another set), can't really comment on the handling aspects as, well, it's a Land Rover so not exactly a car for testing the limits!
The problem with M+S is that they normally have a block pattern and not great for a car’s handling. Fine for a Landi.
E-bmw said:
CABC said:
The problem with M+S is that they normally have a block pattern and not great for a car’s handling.
M & S tyres don't have a block pattern in general.They are like this, all mini sipes to allow grip in mud & snow.
Are you sure you aren't thinking Town & country tyres.
CABC said:
MesoForm said:
I had a 'discussion' with Land Rover when my Disco Sport came with M+S tyres but the car was advertised as coming with All Seasons. Michelin customer services said they weren't all season but Land Rover said M+S meant they were. In the end I got them changed to Cross Climates which are All Season with M+S. I've been across muddy fields, driven out of mudbath car parks where others were getting stuck without any bother but I do have the 'mud and ruts' button in my car which probably helps!
I've never had any issues with them in summer or winter, lasted about 25,000 miles (when I replaced them with another set), can't really comment on the handling aspects as, well, it's a Land Rover so not exactly a car for testing the limits!
That’s useful feedback. (There’s surprisingly little via google on all seasons in mud)I've never had any issues with them in summer or winter, lasted about 25,000 miles (when I replaced them with another set), can't really comment on the handling aspects as, well, it's a Land Rover so not exactly a car for testing the limits!
The problem with M+S is that they normally have a block pattern and not great for a car’s handling. Fine for a Landi.
MustangGT said:
CABC said:
MesoForm said:
I had a 'discussion' with Land Rover when my Disco Sport came with M+S tyres but the car was advertised as coming with All Seasons. Michelin customer services said they weren't all season but Land Rover said M+S meant they were. In the end I got them changed to Cross Climates which are All Season with M+S. I've been across muddy fields, driven out of mudbath car parks where others were getting stuck without any bother but I do have the 'mud and ruts' button in my car which probably helps!
I've never had any issues with them in summer or winter, lasted about 25,000 miles (when I replaced them with another set), can't really comment on the handling aspects as, well, it's a Land Rover so not exactly a car for testing the limits!
That s useful feedback. (There s surprisingly little via google on all seasons in mud)I've never had any issues with them in summer or winter, lasted about 25,000 miles (when I replaced them with another set), can't really comment on the handling aspects as, well, it's a Land Rover so not exactly a car for testing the limits!
The problem with M+S is that they normally have a block pattern and not great for a car s handling. Fine for a Landi.
my misinterpretation then.
I've had M+S in the Alps on an SUV. they had a block pattern with sipes, so I mistakenly jumped to a conclusion...
Back on topic, mud would be better tackled with blocks, hence I wondered how the V-shaped cross climate pattern would work.
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