RE: Why tyre markings matter | PH Explains
RE: Why tyre markings matter | PH Explains
Thursday 17th July

Why tyre markings matter | PH Explains

We sat down with Michelin to find out just how crucial the code on your sidewall is...


No matter your budget, renewing all four tyres on your car can often feel like a chore. It’s the most crucial component of the lot - the only one connecting your pride and joy to the road - yet the bills it accrues are enough to make anyone wince. Time to pose the big question, then: just how crucial is it to keep your car replenished with the specific tyre designed for it?

“Tyre labelling grades are key in informing drivers about three key performance characteristics of a car and van tyre: wet grip, fuel efficiency and external noise,” says Michelin. “Nearly all new car and van tyres are tested to EU standards and given a grade in relation to performance. These grades are then displayed on new tyres with a label and can also be found in the EPREL (European Product Registry for Energy Labelling) database. Regulators can spot-check results, ensuring the label gives you a quick, trustworthy snapshot of performance.”

Which also means the * on the sidewalls of your BMW or the N stamped into your Porsche tyres are no mere gimmicks. “There is a long history of collaboration between Porsche and Michelin. In that time, our engineers have been able to develop tailormade tyres using special rubber compounds and custom-fit geometry developed for each specific model. Fitting tyres that aren’t N-marked may alter some performance characteristics, the Porsche engineers originally wanted you to feel.

“Equally, the * (star) marking means the tyre was jointly designed by the tyre manufacturer and BMW, meaning it has been developed and tested to ensure you enjoy the steering, grip and comfort BMW intended even years later.

“Vehicle manufacturers often work with tyre manufacturers to design and engineer tyres specifically for their models, taking into account transmission systems and other key components. If you wish to change to tyres that aren’t OEM approved, a suggestion would be to fit four identical tyres – but it is equally important to check with your vehicle manufacturer or local tyre professional whether those tyres are suitable for your vehicle.”

You should take heed of any XL (Extra Load) markings on your original tyres come replacement, too. “XL tyres are reinforced and are often recommended by manufacturers to carry heavier loads. If your vehicle weight does not require XL tyres, then there may be no additional benefit to using them.”

Which brings us to a pertinent question. Just how much pressure has the rising mass of SUVs, EVs and their frequent combination piled on the rubber below? “Car technology is changing, largely due to the introduction of hybrid and electric vehicles,” says Michelin. “Improvements to their range often mean a larger and heavier battery. The Tyre Manufacturer Association and ETRTO (European Tyre and Rim Technical Organisation) have defined a new High Load capacity tyre. They use the same pressures but offer a higher load-carrying capacity. HL will be marked before the dimension – HL 265/35 ZR20, for example, and if your original tyres are HL-marked you should continue to replace them with HL tyres. Like XL-marked tyres, if your vehicle manufacturer hasn’t opted for HL tyres from the factory, you don’t need to consider them.”

Given how carefully OEM fitment respects – indeed, elevates – the handling nuances of a car, should we be concerned that most cars sold in the UK are done so wearing so-called summer tyres, when inclement British weather often reduces the traction below us for large portions of the year?

“Vehicle manufacturers typically pick the tyre that best matches each model’s priorities such as ride comfort, braking performance, tyre longevity, responsive handling or rolling resistance.” says Michelin. “Depending on these priorities, summer tyres may be favoured to achieve some of these performance characteristics; however, some vehicle makers already sign off both summer and winter options, while more are now approving all-season choices such as Michelin’s CrossClimate from the factory. “In the replacement market, the shift is even clearer: all-season tyres such as the CrossClimate 2 are gaining popularity as drivers look for a set that can handle Britain’s mixed weather all year round.”

Tyre pressures are something PistonHeads readers likely consider more than most drivers, and they ought to be front of mind if you’ve opted to switch your car from its tyres’ factory dimensions. “We would always recommend following the suggested pressures from the vehicle manufacturer unless a tyre professional has advised otherwise,” says Michelin. “The vehicle manufacturer often sets inflation pressures based on its own understanding of its models’ load carrying capabilities and performance criteria. If you change a vehicle’s tyre dimensions, you may need to change the pressures used.

“Your best bet is to check with the vehicle manufacturer to ensure your new dimension is compatible and to check if there are suggested pressures available. If this is a bespoke conversion, it’s important to understand the load the vehicle is carrying before any suggestion can be made. If you want a specific tyre pressure recommendation or to chat about tyres, you can drop Michelin a line.”

Plenty of us own track specials or classics which only roll out of the garage occasionally, requiring a cautious eye despite their relatively low mileage. “Tyres are safety kit, so each one sold here must meet stringent construction and use regulations before it hits the road,” says Michelin. “But rubber ages: heat, cold, sunlight, storage and usage can all speed up or slow down the aging process. It’s important to check your tyre pressures regularly and look for signs of wear and damage. If you are unsure on what to look for, then it is important to consult a professional who will be able to advise on their condition."

For those of us with the dinkiest track toys and classics, hunting down appropriately sized tyres is no longer as simple as it used to be. “Michelin still produces 13” to 15” dimensions in limited sizes and will continue to do so for as long as there is a demand,” we’re assured. "Please check out our website or our Classic tyre range to see if your dimension is available.”

Sensible questions covered off, then, let’s round off with something we’ve surely all wondered but never dared voice: why are all tyres black, not least when concept cars have frequently promised us a more technicolour route to grip and stability?

“Over 200 ingredients go into making a tyre that each play a vital role in its characteristics. Natural rubber forms the main component of the tread layers, while carbon black and silica are used as reinforcing agents to improve durability. Carbon black is a key ingredient in tyre production, in fact, and not just for its colour. It increases tyres’ resistance to wear by protecting against UV (ultraviolet) light damage. So, no rainbow tyres just yet sadly.”


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CG2020UK

Original Poster:

2,735 posts

57 months

Friday 18th July
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Star marked don’t matter to me as I’m one of those sticking Cross Climate 2s on my daily drivers.

For the last 10 years I’ve always made sure my cars have Michelin or Continental tyres regardless of the tread left when I purchase a car.

Ron240

3,521 posts

136 months

Saturday 19th July
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CG2020UK said:
Star marked don t matter to me as I m one of those sticking Cross Climate 2s on my daily drivers.

For the last 10 years I ve always made sure my cars have Michelin or Continental tyres regardless of the tread left when I purchase a car.
Presumably you are talking about buying a used car...so are you seriously saying that if you bought a car with say Goodyear or Pirelli tyres with 6mm of tread you would immediately replace them for new Michelin or Continental? eek

CG2020UK

Original Poster:

2,735 posts

57 months

Saturday 19th July
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Ron240 said:
resumably you are talking about buying a used car...so are you seriously saying that if you bought a car with say Goodyear or Pirelli tyres with 6mm of tread you would immediately replace them for new Michelin or Continental? eek
Had a brand new BMW 330e and switched the efficiency tyres out a week later to Michelin Cross Climate 2s.

My Golf GTI had new Goodyear Eagle F1s that I switched out after 4-5 months for Michelin Pilot Sport 4s. The F1s replaced new Uniroyal Rainsports that I didn’t like.

208GTI went from something to Cross Climate 2s as wife daily drove it.

My M2 came with Michelin Super Sports that went for PS4s. Also bought winter alloys and tyres for snow.

Tesla is on Cross Climate 2s replacing whatever EV tyres it had previously.

I’ll always make sure I’ve the best tyre for the job which is typically Michelin.

Abacus21

167 posts

52 months

Sunday 20th July
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Michelin scored a slam dunk when it came to the Pilot Sport 4S . Created brand loyalty that will endure.

Pirelli P1 probably the most over rated tyre imo

CDP

7,875 posts

271 months

Sunday 20th July
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What would be interesting is to know how good or bad the leading Chinese stuff is and how they compare with western brands of now, ten and twenty years ago?

Tyres improve all the time, I'd expect a 2000's spec tyre would feel a bit grim these days. It's also why I'm a little wary of the model specific tyres (though they did transform my MR2) as the technology is advancing quite rapidly. Or are we trading grip for rolling resistance and other environmental factors now?

stevieturbo

17,829 posts

264 months

Sunday 20th July
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Long overdue this sham labelling was banned.

There are no standards, manufacturers make up their own labels, and cheap Chinese tyres are oftenn dangerous, yet might label A or B in terms of performance.

But would we expect anything other than a scam from the EU ?

GTEYE

2,279 posts

227 months

Sunday 20th July
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I’m often surprised by how many cars in the U.K. seem to have “budget” tyres fitted.

Subjectively even older everyday cars seem to be more likely to have a branded tyre in say Germany or France.

Outside of PH the U.K. seems to value tyres more on price than quality…

andburg

8,214 posts

186 months

Sunday 20th July
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My pet peeve is seeing a really sporty or expensive car fitted with cheap no name ditch finders.

Who buys a Porsche cayman and fits linglong tyres?

Wasnt there an article not long back where they fitted new tyres to the carrera gt and took seconds off its Nurburgring record? Shows how much tyre technology is advancing.

Sheepshanks

37,870 posts

136 months

Sunday 20th July
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Ron240 said:
resumably you are talking about buying a used car...so are you seriously saying that if you bought a car with say Goodyear or Pirelli tyres with 6mm of tread you would immediately replace them for new Michelin or Continental? eek
Got a brand new EV with Nexan’s. I’d ordered a set of CrossClimates from Costco before it arrived - had them fitted a few days later.

Ron240

3,521 posts

136 months

Sunday 20th July
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Sheepshanks said:
Got a brand new EV with Nexan s. I d ordered a set of CrossClimates from Costco before it arrived - had them fitted a few days later.
You lost me at "Got a brand new EV". biglaugh

E-bmw

11,306 posts

169 months

Sunday 20th July
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Ron240 said:
Sheepshanks said:
Got a brand new EV with Nexan s. I d ordered a set of CrossClimates from Costco before it arrived - had them fitted a few days later.
You lost me at "Got a brand new EV". biglaugh
He lost me when he mis-spelled NEXEN!

Funk

26,921 posts

226 months

Sunday 20th July
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Abacus21 said:
Michelin scored a slam dunk when it came to the Pilot Sport 4S . Created brand loyalty that will endure.
The Michelin PS 4S is an excellent tyre but imo I think it's actually bettered by the Continental SportContact 7 at the moment. Have been seriously impressed with the 7s on my S5.

Edited by Funk on Sunday 20th July 11:52

stevieturbo

17,829 posts

264 months

Sunday 20th July
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GTEYE said:
I m often surprised by how many cars in the U.K. seem to have budget tyres fitted.

Subjectively even older everyday cars seem to be more likely to have a branded tyre in say Germany or France.

Outside of PH the U.K. seems to value tyres more on price than quality
A lot is the fault of unscrupulous sellers and the bullst labelling system.

Vendors will try and push the most profitable ste onto buyers, telling them, "oh Michelin make these" etc etc, and they'll try and push it's an A or B rated tyre, same as say a top brand. Despite those labels being absolutely meaningless.

CDP

7,875 posts

271 months

Monday 21st July
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stevieturbo said:
Long overdue this sham labelling was banned.

There are no standards, manufacturers make up their own labels, and cheap Chinese tyres are oftenn dangerous, yet might label A or B in terms of performance.

But would we expect anything other than a scam from the EU ?
Yes but are they dangerous? The garage put a pair of Chinese tyres on the front of my father's Fabia and driving it quite hard it felt ok. Admittedly I wasn't on the door handles but even when it was wet they were fine for a 1200cc supermini. Especially as he'll be 92 soon and mostly drives on extremely quiet roads. I've been in the car when a pheasant ran out recently - he can stop it pretty well 😁

stevieturbo

17,829 posts

264 months

Monday 21st July
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CDP said:
Yes but are they dangerous? The garage put a pair of Chinese tyres on the front of my father's Fabia and driving it quite hard it felt ok. Admittedly I wasn't on the door handles but even when it was wet they were fine for a 1200cc supermini. Especially as he'll be 92 soon and mostly drives on extremely quiet roads. I've been in the car when a pheasant ran out recently - he can stop it pretty well ?
It really depends, and you might never know until an emergency scenario.

But given people, authorities, insurance etc etc give us st about fitting uprated parts to vehicles......why no outcry about fitting downgrade parts, critical parts....like tyres ?

There are ample tests out there showing just how bad some "budget" tyres can be, and this was a pretty good example here. As well as the many dozens fo tests Jon has done on Tyre reviews. But this one takes a different approach.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMghLAsR4U8&t=...



Mackofthejungle

1,190 posts

212 months

Monday 21st July
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We have to buy new cars which beep at you for speeding (I'm not, the car's camera hasn't seen a sign), yank the steering wheel back into lane when I don't indicate (doesn't matter if I'm driving through road works, A, B or motorway - it's not safe having someone grab the steering wheel), and beep at me to take a break (10 minutes into a drive, whilst I struggle to manage the appalling HVAC touch screen controls which are somehow acceptable...).

God bless the aholes who think this is somehow making us safer drivers. Yet it's fine if you fit a set of rock hard Chinese ditch-finders. Double your stopping distance - yeah, seems safe.

Just but a good brand of tyre. It needs to be good enough. It doesn't need world beating aquaplaning results whilst cornering - just solid wet and dry grip, traction, and especially stopping distances. And the "designed for" bks - nah, come off it. It's just a load of rubbish designed to take money from fools.

Sheepshanks

37,870 posts

136 months

Monday 21st July
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Ron240 said:
You lost me at "Got a brand new EV". biglaugh
Well, bought it for daughter. Time to change her car, and, doing 20K/yr commuting it seemed a good opportunity to try an EV. Great for her - she’ll spend less this year on charging than she was spending a month on petrol.

Got £10K off it, which made it the same cost as nearly-new, but got the colour and options I wanted.

Ron240

3,521 posts

136 months

Monday 21st July
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Sheepshanks said:
Well, bought it for daughter. Time to change her car, and, doing 20K/yr commuting it seemed a good opportunity to try an EV. Great for her - she ll spend less this year on charging than she was spending a month on petrol.

Got £10K off it, which made it the same cost as nearly-new, but got the colour and options I wanted.
You bought your daughter a brand new EV...she has a very generous daddy. laugh
It was the colour and options she wanted surely...or does she just take what she is given with no input?

I am seriously struggling to believe that her (or more likely your) electricity charging costs could possibly be cheaper for a whole year than it would be for just one month in petrol. confused
A lot of people grossly underestimate the annual cost of charging an EV.

Sheepshanks

37,870 posts

136 months

Monday 21st July
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Ron240 said:
I am seriously struggling to believe that her (or more likely your) electricity charging costs could possibly be cheaper for a whole year than it would be for just one month in petrol. confused
A lot of people grossly underestimate the annual cost of charging an EV.
No estimating needed - it’s £20/mth for all you can eat on Octopus something or other tariff. (It’s gone up to £30 for new users now).

E-bmw

11,306 posts

169 months

Monday 21st July
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Sheepshanks said:
Ron240 said:
I am seriously struggling to believe that her (or more likely your) electricity charging costs could possibly be cheaper for a whole year than it would be for just one month in petrol. confused
A lot of people grossly underestimate the annual cost of charging an EV.
No estimating needed - it s £20/mth for all you can eat on Octopus something or other tariff. (It s gone up to £30 for new users now).
I assume you are quite flippant with your regard for Ts & Cs then?

It isn't "all you can eat" at all, it is unlimited charging on days/times that they control, which is far from "all you can eat".

It is also "smart charging" so will likely involve an agreement to use the battery in the EV to back up the grid at other times.

Also, does not work with all car makes/charger types.

Edited by E-bmw on Monday 21st July 13:53