Bodywork repair...
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kton of filler and respray. Your pic suggests damage closer to smart repair.The very very first thing I would personally do is use some Meguairs ScratchX by hand and see how much comes off. Firstly make sure that area is fully clean, then use a microfibre applicator or cloth, only a small amount of product, firm pressure (as you are trying to polish out the damage) and go over it in a circular motion, making sure you overlap about 6-8 times until it goes clear. Then remove the remainder of the cream with another microfibre cloth. Do this a couple of times and see where you stand.
The next step is to then move onto compound with a machine like the chap above me said. bodyshops will have this and will try this first.
If there is some damage left over, then its going to have to be a smart repair.
The next step is to then move onto compound with a machine like the chap above me said. bodyshops will have this and will try this first.
If there is some damage left over, then its going to have to be a smart repair.
E63M6 said:
Will give Chipsaway a ring in the morning. Are they any good?
Chipsaway are a franchise - some maybe good, others not so. Some may have just completed training and have little or no experience and you could be their first paid job, others my have been trading successfully for ten years or more.^^^^What he said. Based on my local area seem to have a high turnover of franchisees too.
If you put your location someone might be able to give a local recommendation.
Try wetting the area. If the scratches seem to disappear when wet the damage is to the clearcoat & will very likely polish out.
If you put your location someone might be able to give a local recommendation.
Try wetting the area. If the scratches seem to disappear when wet the damage is to the clearcoat & will very likely polish out.
Edited by paintman on Friday 13th May 09:01
E63M6 said:
Yep. Will be ringing chipsaway in the morning. I'm hoping it won't be more than £100.
I have a CA franchise and it will be more than £100, I wouldnt even quote you for it if you think my time and training is worth less than that.In my area I would charge around £270+vat to sort that out as it will require 2 panels repairing.
What he said - (except I'm not a franchisee)
It amazes me that people think that someone spending hours invisibly repairing what could be their biggest expenditure (after a house) should work for peanuts.
To be done properly is probably six hours work - for £100?????
I know some will be bored with this bit of man maths - but if you get you hair cut it's going to cost you about a tenner for about 10 minutes work.
That works out to £60 an hour - or £360 for 6 hours work - just for cutting hair, using just a pair of scissors and very few other tools or products.
And yet some people seem to think that bringing their pride and joy back to tip top condition should cost around a third of what someone with a pair of scissors can earn.
And if they do manage to get it done cheaply, then as sure as night follows day they'll be ones moaning about the poor results.
It amazes me that people think that someone spending hours invisibly repairing what could be their biggest expenditure (after a house) should work for peanuts.
To be done properly is probably six hours work - for £100?????
I know some will be bored with this bit of man maths - but if you get you hair cut it's going to cost you about a tenner for about 10 minutes work.
That works out to £60 an hour - or £360 for 6 hours work - just for cutting hair, using just a pair of scissors and very few other tools or products.
And yet some people seem to think that bringing their pride and joy back to tip top condition should cost around a third of what someone with a pair of scissors can earn.
And if they do manage to get it done cheaply, then as sure as night follows day they'll be ones moaning about the poor results.
You'll find that the price will vary depending on your area so worth checking both SMART repairers - franchised & non-franchised - and smaller bodyshops. Was a time when bodyshops weren't interested in minor damage but this has changed. What could be charged in one area simply isn't possible in another due to high level of competition.
Bear in mind that those with a turnover below the threshold - £81000 as of April 2016 - aren't required to register for VAT so that's 20% you might not have added to the bill. To give a level playing field for all as some will be over the threshold & some will be under franchises normally require ALL franchisees to be VAT registered.
Bear in mind that those with a turnover below the threshold - £81000 as of April 2016 - aren't required to register for VAT so that's 20% you might not have added to the bill. To give a level playing field for all as some will be over the threshold & some will be under franchises normally require ALL franchisees to be VAT registered.
Squiggs said:
What he said - (except I'm not a franchisee)
It amazes me that people think that someone spending hours invisibly repairing what could be their biggest expenditure (after a house) should work for peanuts.
To be done properly is probably six hours work - for £100?????
I know some will be bored with this bit of man maths - but if you get you hair cut it's going to cost you about a tenner for about 10 minutes work.
That works out to £60 an hour - or £360 for 6 hours work - just for cutting hair, using just a pair of scissors and very few other tools or products.
And yet some people seem to think that bringing their pride and joy back to tip top condition should cost around a third of what someone with a pair of scissors can earn.
And if they do manage to get it done cheaply, then as sure as night follows day they'll be ones moaning about the poor results.
Six hours work for that is rediculous... Obviously we would tell customer that but in reality it is a dream of a repair so easy.It amazes me that people think that someone spending hours invisibly repairing what could be their biggest expenditure (after a house) should work for peanuts.
To be done properly is probably six hours work - for £100?????
I know some will be bored with this bit of man maths - but if you get you hair cut it's going to cost you about a tenner for about 10 minutes work.
That works out to £60 an hour - or £360 for 6 hours work - just for cutting hair, using just a pair of scissors and very few other tools or products.
And yet some people seem to think that bringing their pride and joy back to tip top condition should cost around a third of what someone with a pair of scissors can earn.
And if they do manage to get it done cheaply, then as sure as night follows day they'll be ones moaning about the poor results.
Flat off with 500 on block 2 minutes
Worst way skim if glaze doubt it needs it
Feather out into 800
1k primer with soft edge masking 15 minutes
Mix paint meanwhile flat primer to 800 then 1200 5 minutes
Sheet car 15 minutes and final mask 15 minutes
Apply base coat a generous 15 minutes
Apply lacquer 20 minutes.
Leave two hours denib buff 10 minutes.
If that job takes you six hours ie half a day you are in the wrong trade.
Watch YouTube "the gunman e type" spot repair - that's proper smart repair in minutes.
nct001 said:
Six hours work for that is rediculous... Obviously we would tell customer that but in reality it is a dream of a repair so easy.
Flat off with 500 on block 2 minutes
Worst way skim if glaze doubt it needs it
Feather out into 800
1k primer with soft edge masking 15 minutes
Mix paint meanwhile flat primer to 800 then 1200 5 minutes
Sheet car 15 minutes and final mask 15 minutes
Apply base coat a generous 15 minutes
Apply lacquer 20 minutes.
Leave two hours denib buff 10 minutes.
If that job takes you six hours ie half a day you are in the wrong trade.
Watch YouTube "the gunman e type" spot repair - that's proper smart repair in minutes.
I don't have to lie about how long a repair will take - I tell the truth as I'm usually doing the repair in-front of the customer.Flat off with 500 on block 2 minutes
Worst way skim if glaze doubt it needs it
Feather out into 800
1k primer with soft edge masking 15 minutes
Mix paint meanwhile flat primer to 800 then 1200 5 minutes
Sheet car 15 minutes and final mask 15 minutes
Apply base coat a generous 15 minutes
Apply lacquer 20 minutes.
Leave two hours denib buff 10 minutes.
If that job takes you six hours ie half a day you are in the wrong trade.
Watch YouTube "the gunman e type" spot repair - that's proper smart repair in minutes.
Yep it can be 'blown over' quickly - something to make it look a lot less noticeable ...
With:
No proper cleaning?
No prep for the panels your working on?
No cleaning between coats?
No Blending?
And just a quick buff - but no polishing?
Or it can done be done properly, which will result in a totally invisible repair, that I can give a guarantee on that it won't fail at a later date and will pass the test of time.
I don't appear to be in the wrong trade as my business is very healthy.
And as someone who is constantly in touch with other Smart repairers from across the country, all of whom are at the top of their game, I really don't need to watch anything on youtube to help me out.
But thanks for your concern.
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