Poor boys black hole?

[chan61922]

Morning guys so seeing as it’s lockdown I’ve upped my inventory for detailing bits- as you do lol I posted not look ago a post about sonax BSD. However I’ve Been recommended poor boys black hole for my black car, was cheap enough so seeing as I needed a few service bits for the car I picked up a bottle of it. After reading up on it, it appears it’s just a glaze, which fills imperfections etc etc, but not really a protection or sealant. So I’m assuming once cars washed it needed to be sealed of with a wax of some sort? I’m not a huge detailing nut so I won’t be machine polishing, clay barring etc, I’m thinking snow foam, 2 bucket wash, drying the panels then apply? Would this be okay? What’s a good wax/sealant to go over with once applied? I only have liquid quick detailers, sonax BSD, meguiars hybrid ceramic and meguiars quick detailer, I suppose these wouldnt be great, as there just thin liquid solution that generally don’t protect for very long. But what would be a good combo, bilt hamber double speed? Poor boys nattys paste? Rather just spend a good few hours on getting her looking tip top rather then messing about with quick detailers as they really don’t last long


Many thanks

[rustfalia]

I use poor boys black hole and you are correct it needs to be treated as a pre wax sealant.

Any wax will be fine if you arnt too fussed no need to go overboard as the real shine and gloss will come from the better prepping of paint (clay and polish)

Then after every wash use a quick setsiler (sonax is my favourite) as a drying aid. Spray your drying towel slightly with it while you go over the car. Really helps soak up the water.

To be honest il only really wax a car once a year but I wash almost every weekend and use quick detailed.

[chan61922]

Thanks mate, that’s the thing though I had it stage 1 machine polished last year, now the polish has pretty much worn away I’m just doing quick fixes with quick detailers and it looks good for a few days then soon has it rains back to square one car gets filthy and it’s a nightmare cleaning again. Why I bought a black car again I will never know lol I don’t really just myself claying and polishing and I keep putting off paying a detailer to do it too lol

[stevemcs]

I’d apply- if you have one black hole with a da on a finishing pad, if you don’t have a da then you will be fine and it will just take a bit longer.

For protection use the meguires ceramic coat and then use bsd after every wash.

[chan61922]

Thanks mate, so apply black hole minus the D/A as I dong have one, then seal of with meguiars and BSD for maintenance washes thereafter? The weathers nice out today I might crack on with a normal wash and just BSD

[rustfalia]

Yeah no need to keep reapplying black hole.
A few coats initially might be beneficial thought.

[skinny]

I've used both double speed wax and nattys paste wax over black hole.
Both are good products imo, go on and come off easily, and last fairly well. You can top up with the sonax BSD (if that's what i think it is)
Bilt hamber don't make a bad product, their whole range is great. Poor boys smells better tho!

Don't wax it now tho or your black hole won't go on properly

[stevemcs]

With blackhole i found doing a panel at a time was best, BSD is very good but i found it a little smeary and grabby. I swapped to bouncers done and dusted, not quite as good protection but a better level of gloss.

[gweaver]

Are you using a pure shampoo or a wash and wax? A wash and wax would probably reduce the life of the quick detailers / spray sealants that you have. I think the Meguiars Hybrid Ceramic is supposed to have fairly good durability, if applied properly to clean paint.

It may also be worth considering using a panel wipe to remove any residual wax/sealant from the paint before applying the glaze or sealant. Most of the detailing scene wipes are IPA based, with some surfactant, colouring and fragrance thrown in. Body shop panel wipes are often naptha or petroleum distillate based - they may be more effective (and great for removing tar), but they could remove any touch-up or smart repair paint if you aren't careful.

If you were starting from scratch, I'd suggest Bilt Hamber AutoWash (pure shampoo), Cleanser-Polish (all in one with fillers) & Double Speed Wax. Apparently applying DSW over Cleanser-Polish reduces it's durability by about 25%, but it should still be good for 2-3 months.

[gweaver]

chan61922 said:

it looks good for a few days then soon has it rains back to square one car gets filthy and it’s a nightmare cleaning again.

Gyeon Wetcoat reputedly has better self cleaning properties than other spray sealants, but I haven't used it myself.

[dirky dirk]

Black hole and collinite845 are all i use these days

[chan61922]

Apologies for late reply guys, many thanks for input. So attempted using the BSD the other afternoon, what a absolute nightmare the car was in the direct sunlight, shampoo kept drying up and car was full of water spots lol attempted to quickly go over with jet wash but even then the water marks already had dried up. So sonax BSD, even though it was applied in the wrong conditions ie sunlight and dry panels, did try to do it on wet panels and use as a drying aid- I actually get why people say it’s very grabby now, it is! It’s abit of a nightmare to apply I think, i sprayed panels and micro fibre and tried to apply but it seems abit to thick for my liking hmmm. So onto original question, poor boys black hole used in conjunction with nattys paste, double speed wax or collinite should provide me with good results then? Ie I can’t go far wrong with this combo, on black paint anyway? Any suggestions for a pre wipe or solution to go round with once cars been washed, again- I don’t try trust myself with a clay bar or D/A. I know that’s what’s required for optimum results but I really don’t want to open up a can of worms on my pride and joy, wouldn’t mind giving it a crack on a 20 year old fiesta or something lol shampoo wise I’m using meguiars gold class, meguiars wash and wax and meguiars nxt, all have wax in them I believe, should I invest in something else? I’m using autoglym snow foam which is absolutely pants in my opinion, the dirt doesn’t seem to wash away, instead it like to stick to panels. Wheel wise I just use auto finesse iron out, and just wash with shampoo used on car (separate bucket offcourse) and windows meguiars window cleaner, also have some rain x but not the time of year for that atm. As you can probably tell By my product Arsenal I’m not the hugest detailing nut lol oh I just remembered I have a small pot of purple haze dodo juice too, would that be worth a pop with poor boys?

Many thanks

[stevemcs]

Are you wanting to buy new products or just use your existing ?

I always used BSD with some water left on the car. I'm currently an Angelwax and Gtechnic fan at the moment.

[chan61922]

I’m open to suggestions mate, willing to buy something if it’s a good product and reasonably priced so Swiss vax isn’t an option lol

[stevemcs]

Well given you already have blackhole, use that as your glaze and then stick a wax over the top, purple haze or the megs nxt wax should do it. Then when you wash use the gold class and just use BSD as the drying aid, wipe on with one cloth and use a long pile to give it a final wipe.

Have a look on forensic detailing channel for additional help. Like everything its all in the prep. Yes you can clay (but you will need a DA to remove some of the marring left) but a good fall out remover and tar remover will remove most of it. Oh and don't wash it in the sun everything bakes and drys out much quicker.

If you hate BSD then just get some autoglym Polar seal, spray, dry and jobs done.

[Summit_Detailing]

Black Hole followed by Double Speed and use the Hybrid Ceramic QD once washed & dried to remove any waterspots/runs etc.

I'd swap to a pure/free rinsing shampoo, i.e one that doesn't leave behind any waxes or silicones - Gtechniq Gwash, Gyeon Bathe, Dooka Wash and Auto Finesse Lather all excellent.

And as above poster mentioned given the current weather either wash first thing in the morning or late evening.

Cheers,

Chris

[gweaver]

@ Chris (Summit), since you seem to be the resident professional detailer on this sub-forum, do you have an opinion on the effectiveness of different IPA/panel wipes for maximising the durability of sealants?

I've had inconsistent results with Soft 99 Fusso, and haven't got to the bottom of it. I know Fusso is said to bond best to bare paint, so I've always wiped with something before application.

[chan61922]

Many thanks guys, yes I know we shouldn’t be washing in direct sunlight, I already committed to a wash and was half way through it and the sun decides to come out grrr. Any suggestions for a good panel wipe/degreaser/paint prep after a wash and prior to application of any glaze and wax. I never really gave any thought to wax based shampoos before, but thinking about it, it doesn’t make sense to go wax free so thank you for heads up.

[stevemcs]

I've used either IPA (mixed with water) , Carpro Eraser but i've just ordered Gtechniq panel wipe.

[chan61922]

Thanks mate sorry for stating the obvious but how do I go out applying?

Snow foam over dry car
Hose down
2 bucket wash
Blower drier and towel wipe
Apply detailer, wax, sealant etc....


That’s my current set up