Help/advice to sort poor respray

[RanchoGrande]

Good afternoon, I've not ventured into this section before, so hello to any regulars.

I've recently had a 4 panels resprayed locally and to cut a long story short, the bodyshop have done a very average/poor job and this is despite me taking it back twice after the initial work. They pretty much told me to like it it or lump it after the 3rd attempt to get it right and it was getting to the point where being polite was no longer working so i've decided to cut my losses and see if I can put it right myself.

There are milky patches in places and I'm wondering if these can be polished out? I got the guy at the bodyshop to polish out some of the patches with a machine polisher when I was there (I'm not going back again now as they are a joke and made it clear they aren't going to put it right) Would Tcut work on something like this?

Oh, they also left me with my back door not working (could be coincidence) and there is also evidence of fibres or something under the clear coat.

Thanks in advance.

[Red9zero]

A proper detailer might get some of it out, not the fibres though. Was it an expensive job with a paper trail or a couple of hundred quid cash in hand job ?

[Dave.]

Pics would help.

Is the clouding in the clearcoat, or in the paint below?

[RanchoGrande]

Dave. said:

Pics would help.

Is the clouding in the clearcoat, or in the paint below?

Not sure, will post some pics tomorrow. I'm thinking it's in the clearcoat as some of the other patches went after they used a machine polisher on it.

[RanchoGrande]

Red9zero said:

A proper detailer might get some of it out, not the fibres though. Was it an expensive job with a paper trail or a couple of hundred quid cash in hand job ?

It wasn't a cheap job and they played nicely initially but I'm now at the point where I don't want them to screw it up anymore. It doesn't help that it's silver and 12 years old, but still, I didn't want it to end up looking like a dogs dinner.

I can live with the fibres as it's low enough down on the door to not notice and quite frankly I don't want to spend money getting it sprayed again somewhere else.

[Summit_Detailing]

Pics would definitely help.

I'm going to take a wild guess that the 'cloudy' areas you've described are area's where they've sanded the finish down but not polished afterwards...I could of course be wrong!
If they are the above then a detailer local to you should be able to rectify easily and cost effectively.

Cheers,

Chris

[Demelitia]

Clouding in clear coat with temperatures and humidity as they are at the minute could well indicate they had it out in the cold too quickly? Sprayed on panels that were too cold?

[RanchoGrande]

Demelitia said:

Clouding in clear coat with temperatures and humidity as they are at the minute could well indicate they had it out in the cold too quickly? Sprayed on panels that were too cold?

Quite possibly! It has been cold recently.

[V8covin]

RanchoGrande said:

Quite possibly! It has been cold recently.

It doesn't happen with 2k clear.
Like a poster said above,it's more lkely to be areas that have been sanded but not polished up properly .....or the clear wasn't hard when polished and has dropped back.
The vast majority of defects in 2k clear can be rectified with a good polishing job.If the defects are in the basecoat it's respray time

[steveo3002]

doesnt sound like something you will make right with a rag and some t cut

a good machine buffer in the right hands with some polishes may well improve it alot , but then it all costs money

[Demelitia]

V8covin said:

RanchoGrande said:

Quite possibly! It has been cold recently.

It doesn't happen with 2k clear.
Like a poster said above,it's more lkely to be areas that have been sanded but not polished up properly .....or the clear wasn't hard when polished and has dropped back.
The vast majority of defects in 2k clear can be rectified with a good polishing job.If the defects are in the basecoat it's respray time

So dewpoint issues wouldn’t ever be a problem? Or at least wouldn’t show up like this?
Genuine question btw.

Pics would help this whole thread I suppose.

[steveo3002]

still need to consider dew point /panel temps with 2k

pointless going on without some clear pics

[RanchoGrande]

Quite tricky to get a decent picture. In the picture where you can see part of the number plate there are also some lines visible.



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[V8covin]

Demelitia said:

So dewpoint issues wouldn’t ever be a problem? Or at least wouldn’t show up like this?
Genuine question btw.

Pics would help this whole thread I suppose.

What on earth are dewpoints ?
So I googled dewpoints.Never have I heard of this related to vehicle painting.
When we used cellulose we would get blooming in damp conditions....but that's because we didn't have a temperature controlled spraying environment.
2k paints aren't susceptible in the same way....if they were these smart repairers working outside in all weathers would be in big trouble.
Having looked at the pics I see some fisheyes and an area that hasn't been polished properly

Edited by V8covin on Sunday 6th December 18:11

[steveo3002]

lines wont come out its just bad work , the orange peel effect and dirt nibs should improve with a wet sand and polish IF theres enough paint/clear on it

dewpoint is point/time of day when dew forms ...such as painting a car on a damp winters day isnt a good idea

[RanchoGrande]

Another bodyshop to sort or a detailer? There are a few patches that look like orange peel - once I have got rid of these patches I guess I can live with the lines and fibres in the paint as I don't want to have the panels sprayed again.

The bodyshop clearly have no pride in their work!

[V8covin]

RanchoGrande said:

Another bodyshop to sort or a detailer? There are a few patches that look like orange peel - once I have got rid of these patches I guess I can live with the lines and fibres in the paint as I don't want to have the panels sprayed again.

The bodyshop clearly have no pride in their work!

To be honest I've seen factory paint with as much orange peel

[paintman]

One of the worst I've seen was one of the first L405 Range Rovers.
Stopped next to me at a set of lights.
If they'd told me the bonnet had been covered with woodchip wallpaper & then painted black I would have believed them.

[V8covin]

paintman said:

One of the worst I've seen was one of the first L405 Range Rovers.
Stopped next to me at a set of lights.
If they'd told me the bonnet had been covered with woodchip wallpaper & then painted black I would have believed them.

Many BMWs from the past decade have horrific orange peel from the factory