Help please

[Bonnie and Clyde]

I've just bought some Farecla G3 Advanced Liquid Compound and some 3M Imperial Machine Glaze in the hope that i can remove swirl marks. I have tried loads of products with little success. So i washed the car and applied a little G3 to the paintwork. Polished it off and then used 3M Glaze. The section i polished now has much deeper swirl marks than before. Its been suggested that i should apply by electric polisher but i'm now really worried i'm gonna cause more damage. Any advice would be appreciated as the OH's on his way home

[7even]

G3 is developed to be used with a machine polisher, but can be applied by hand. The abrasive breaks down the more the product is used.
Its a lot lot easier with a mop, but NOT really reccomended for first timers.
Another thing is G3 straight to Glase is a big step and there should, I would have thought, been another step in between, possible a finishing cut like 3M finesse-it or G10.

Its up to you which way you proceed, you can either bite the bulit and buy a mop,(if you do get one with a soft start) and DIY or call a local detailer to do the job.

Best of luck m8

[Bonnie and Clyde]

7even said:

G3 is developed to be used with a machine polisher, but can be applied by hand. The abrasive breaks down the more the product is used.
Its a lot lot easier with a mop, but NOT really reccomended for first timers.
Another thing is G3 straight to Glase is a big step and there should, I would have thought, been another step in between, possible a finishing cut like 3M finesse-it or G10.

Its up to you which way you proceed, you can either bite the bulit and buy a mop,(if you do get one with a soft start) and DIY or call a local detailer to do the job.

Best of luck m8

Thanks for that. I've looked on B&Q's website but the polishers/sanders start at 4000 rpm. It was suggested that i start polishing at 1500 rpm then work up slowly. Any ideas where i can get a orbital polisher (preferably from a store as opposed to mail order for time reasons) made for cars as apposed to sanding????>
TIA
Mel

[paintman]

Obvious answer is a motorists shop!
Even Halfrauds do some polishers suitable for car use, or you could look at Machine Mart.
G3 is very good, but very fast so be careful. And as you have found, using it by hand with a cloth is not really a good idea. I use it with both compounding foams & polishing foams. Softer is safer on swage lines & sharp bends.

[kds keltec]

I machine polish at around 900rpm stepping up to 1500-1800rpm then back down to 900rpm with most cutting compounds .

some detailers machine polish slightly faster but not 4000rpm , its all down to the size of polishing foam head , material of polishing head , and type of cutting compound being used and sorry nearly forgot type of paint being corrected .

[budd]

you should be looking at something like a Silverline rotary, soft start, adjustable speed, decent torque you should be able to pick something from ebay, also before getting stuck in on your pride and joy get hold of a scrap panel and practise, this forum is great for advice but practise really does make prefect. also the 3M glaze should work fine following G3 as previously stated G3 is designed to break down in use, getting finer and finer but it will only do this if is worked correctly at the right speed with the right amount of water. Once you've mastered it finish the job with a good LSP Collinite 915 or (my fav at the mo ) FK1000P.

[Bonnie and Clyde]

OK guys this is what i've done. I've ordered a Sealy orbital polisher and the foam pads and spacer thing. I am returning the G3 as i'm petrified to put it anywhere near the car. Its been said that the car possibly only needs 3M Finesse and then 3M machine glaze. I guess by had i'll then apply some Mer polish just for good measure. I'm wondering if going the machine route is gonna get rid of these swirls
This car will be the death of me. Must remember to never ever buy a black car again
Thanks for all of your advice. The old man didn't notice the swirls i caused yesterday so i'm really hoping that with the help of the machine i can get them out before he does

[Prestige Detail]

Bonnie and Clyde said:

OK guys this is what i've done. I've ordered a Sealy orbital polisher and the foam pads and spacer thing. I am returning the G3 as i'm petrified to put it anywhere near the car. Its been said that the car possibly only needs 3M Finesse and then 3M machine glaze. I guess by had i'll then apply some Mer polish just for good measure. I'm wondering if going the machine route is gonna get rid of these swirls
This car will be the death of me. Must remember to never ever buy a black car again
Thanks for all of your advice. The old man didn't notice the swirls i caused yesterday so i'm really hoping that with the help of the machine i can get them out before he does

Sorry but you really don't sound like you have a clue what you are doing, going at it with a machine polisher and some advice off the internet will more than likely end in disaster.

It can take some people days to know how to use one and it can take others months and months of hard work.

Your car seems to be yours and your partners pride and joy, get a pro in and learn off him. May cost a few quid short term but can more than pay for it's self if your willing to learn.

Hope this helps

Simon

[Bonnie and Clyde]

I was using the softest pad and keeping it moving. Not stopping and being really careful not to come into contact with any edges. Was just going to be really gentle. Thats why i'm opting out of G3 as i'm guessing its a bit abrasive for a first timer.

[Prestige Detail]

Bonnie and Clyde said:

I was using the softest pad and keeping it moving. Not stopping and being really careful not to come into contact with any edges. Was just going to be really gentle. Thats why i'm opting out of G3 as i'm guessing its a bit abrasive for a first timer.

Sorry don't mean to sound harsh just don't want you running in to trouble.

Have a play on a scrap panel or car a few times first. Then find another scrap panel or car and play again. Different paints can need a totally different approach. Can even be the same make of car and the paints need a whole different approach.

As you have said you are a first timer why not get a pro in as a gift to your otherhalf or yourself and if you want to learn, it will more than pay for it's self and your car will look even better than you could imagine.

I am not trying to got a booking out of this, just help. If this takes your fancy let me know and will recommend you someone in your area.

Simon

[Bonnie and Clyde]

Thanks for all the advice. I dont really know what to do now. I'll work it out

[CraigSRi]

Where are you based??

[Rum Runner]

More than likely the swirls are caused by a slight amount of dirt in the cloth. Try T cut CUT&WAX not to abrasive.Do it by hand, its to easy to mad with the buffer and end up through the clear coat, if its Black metallic as many are .

[mneame]

Rum Runner said:

More than likely the swirls are caused by a slight amount of dirt in the cloth. Try T cut CUT&WAX not to abrasive.Do it by hand, its to easy to mad with the buffer and end up through the clear coat, if its Black metallic as many are .

Sorry but t cut is very abraisive and i would not recommend it over something like g3, 10 etc or the menzerna range of polishes.

Good results can be had working menzerna intensive polish by hand using a lake & country german aplicator pad. AG Super Resin Polish can give good results when working by hand although it contains a lot of fillers.

[Rum Runner]

This is not T Cut this is CUT & WAX a different product not as abrasive as standard T Cut .So much less abrasive it leaves a good high gloss finish although i would recommend i quick wipe over with resin polish.

Edited by Rum Runner on Thursday 18th June 16:09

[Bonnie and Clyde]

I'm live in Cannock but am now in Wales for 10 days. I've bought a Sealy Orbital polisher 0-2300 speed, with the 3M dark grey waffle pads. I've decided against using G3 as it scared me a bit with the damage i did by hand. So i bought 3M Finesse which i will apply gently and evenly avoiding raised edges, out of sunlight. I'll make sure i never allow it to dry so i have a squirty bottle handy. I will then wash of all residue and repeat with 3M Machine Glaze. Finally i'll use by hand Mer wax. Wish me luck.
I have to admit i question my sexuality when i picked up the sealy polisher. I was like a kid in a sweet shop. The OH's bought plenty of Beer so he can sit and watch
I will be in heaven

[Bonnie and Clyde]

Hi guys, just wanted to thank you for your advice and show you the results I'm really pleased. It almost killed me, made a hell of a mess and broke two nails but kept me away from the ironing for a bit
Let me know what you think.



I understand its no where near as good as if i'd gone to a pro but i wanted to do it myself

[PJ S]

Pics can hide a few sins, but even so, those look very good indeed.
Congrats on a job well done.

[7even]

Stunning!

[Bonnie and Clyde]

Thanks guys. Just wanted to say that the HSV Forum hired Shakespeare's Raceway today for some V8 drag racing and as a result of your advice i won the best presented car award. Really pleased with that. So thanks again