Double waxing. Anything in it?

[2Munkys]

Double waxing? It's something some of my friends do. After cleaning and preparing the paintwork, one layer of wax will be applied and then buffed-up. After that the waxing and buffing process will be repeated; sometimes with a different brand. Is there something to be said for this procedure? Is it possible that the finish and durability can be enhanced? Can the depth of wax be built up? Seems like an awful lot of effort if otherwise.

[VXRTOM]

ofcourse,

more than one coat of 'wax' is generally regarded as beneficial, Firstly it is a way of ensuring even and total coverage, and secondly typically it will improve durabilty.

It largely depends of types of waxes used and the prep work beforehand.

the waxing stage should not take long by itself as that is really the LSP - last stage product and many 'in the know' say that the LSP only accounts for about %10 of the final finish. The rest is down to the prep work beforehand. - Claying, etc etc,

I certainly wouldn't bother waxing my car with just 1 layer , unless it is just a 'top up' to work carried out a couple of weeks ago

Edited by VXRTOM on Wednesday 16th September 15:57

[Auto finesse]

^^ bang on, to ensure and even coverage two coats is always recommended.

Wax layers do build up as long as its a true LSP your using not an all in one or any type of product that has a chemical or abrasive cutting action (you would just be removing the previous layer with the 2nd coat)

So in short yes wax can be layered and yes it is beneficial to the looks and protection.

[Neil_Sc]

If you apply a wax and then immediately apply another layer then you are most likely to take off most of the wax through the solvents used to carry the wax onto the paint, so in my mind you won't add much durability.

You will ensure even coverage of product though.

Personally I only ever apply 1 layer of paste wax/sealant in one go. If I want to add another layer I generally wait 24 hours unless I'm using a system such as Zaino with ZFX which allows 3 layers to be put on in 24 hours.

[2Munkys]

Thanks for that. Obviously there's something to the phenomenon if you guys say so; I just don't remember reading any such instruction on the containers. I did suspect that any solvents or dilutants might remove the underlying coat.

Anyway, I'm not using anything special:

1. Meguires Gold Class or farecla Wax Top (easy to work and nice deep finish but don't appear especially durable)
2. Zymol Cleaner Wax (nightmare to work, average finish but quite durable).

If there's a generally accepted good quality wax for not silly money, what is it?

[belleair302]

For durability the Collinite waxes usually deliver the best results. Dodo Juice, Victoria Wax, Race Glaze, Swiss Wax and Zymol are most people's favourites.

[VXRTOM]

My favourite durable 'winter' wax is Collinite 476.

by hand - give the application pad a spritz of water and apply thinly and evenly a panel at a time (allowing it to dry to light haze - couple of mins) then buff off.

do this to every panel of the car, then start again.

after these 2 coats, 6 months of protection is very achievable. Makes washing it so much easier in those cold winter months.

HTH

[Auto finesse]

Personally not a big fan of collie, its ok, but a bit of a pig to use at times, id look at the Finishkare range, the FK1000 or the pink wax, both great products with goud durability for not to much ££

[VXRTOM]

^ I also rate FK, you know a detailer and a DW member when you see one ^

Edited by VXRTOM on Thursday 17th September 10:53

[2Munkys]

Thankyou all for that; some products there for me to research. Perhaps not the kinda stuff you'd pick up in Halfrauds etc then. You'd expect the big names (Turtlewax, Simoniz) to have the might and technology behind them to develop the best in finishes but perhaps their high-silicone-content products to be found on the high-street appeal because they're relatively cheap.

[plenty]

I seem to be against the grain as I've found 476s to be very easy to use whereas FK1000p a bit more fussy.

My current preference is Colly for the bodywork and FK for wheels. The other consideration is that I'm using a glaze under the LSP (Megs #7) which works better with wax than sealant.

[VXRTOM]

check out detailingworld.co.uk - the best resource for anything to do with car care. - use the search feature and there you will find everything about everything.

A good online place for car car products is cleanyourcar.co.uk the boss Tim is great chap and really friendly (also a frequent poster on detailing world)

The only product I rate that halford sells are a couple of the Auto Glym stuff, mainly Super Resin Polish and Extra Gloss Protection - Both must have products. AG Fast Glass is also good.

p.s. I'm in no way associated with any of the websites of businesses named above.

Edited by VXRTOM on Thursday 17th September 13:13

[2Munkys]

O.k, went a bit Menters on the wax front and won't be eating for a month or so now due to my extreme rashness . I contacted 'Cleanyourcar' and got a speedy reply from Tim; I now have inbound: a pot of Dodo Purple Haze Pro and a tin of FK1000P to go beneath that.

I hope that makes sense?! I have two black cars: one in a solid and the other in Moonraker Black Metallic.
If I've not fugged-up in the choice by not reading your input correctly I'll thankyou here and now .

Bruce

[VXRTOM]

well done, you wont regret it. But beware it can be a costly and time consuming hobby!

[PJ S]

You won't gain anything over having the PHPro on the FKP1000 - quite why people still jump on this wax-over-a-sealant bandwagon, I'll never know!
Still it's your money to fritter away needlessly.

[Auto finesse]

Dodo Pro ay, NICE! im still waiting for mine (DOM! )

Pro over FK is some thing iv no idea how will work but if they bond up well you could have a super durable finish. i think that The dodo pro is however made up pretty similar to the FK100 in it being a wax/sealant cross hybrid.

plenty said:

I seem to be against the grain as I've found 476s to be very easy to use whereas FK1000p a bit more fussy.

My current preference is Colly for the bodywork and FK for wheels. The other consideration is that I'm using a glaze under the LSP (Megs #7) which works better with wax than sealant.

There is no right and wrong answer and no single BEST product, some things work better than others for different people and there working style.

[2Munkys]

PJ S said:

You won't gain anything over having the PHPro on the FKP1000 - quite why people still jump on this wax-over-a-sealant bandwagon, I'll never know!
Still it's your money to fritter away needlessly.

I'm not jumping on anyones band-wagon and I don't have money to fritter; I'm a complete novice in this field so seek advice i.e. this post, asking those considered informed and friends in various car clubs. Time will tell whether or not I'll conclude as they. The two products came highly recommended so I opted for both; to be used in isolation or, as some have suggested, in combination. Can't tell you more than that; I'd like to think I've not wasted money. Whatever, I'm excited at the thought of experiment.

Maybe when the Griff is back from the bodyshop in a few weeks I'll return to this thread with my findings and a shot. I have no issue with inviting you to tell me whether or not I've made an arse of myself.

[Auto finesse]

Nothing at all wrong with your choice of products, the FK1000 is a good durable sealant, the Dodo pro is a wax with the advantages of a sealant built in.

As you say you have a few cars to use it on so one on one, another on another and maybe both on the other,

Worst case is you wont use the Fk1000 much on paint, but its a dam good wheel sealant so you can use it on them.

When i had a try of the early prototype of the dodo pro it was as wet and glossy as any wax iv seen and apparently the durability is really really good so your more than likely going to get slightly better results with just that on paint, who knows, i hope you come back to this thread and show us how you got on and what you thought of them both.

[Buzzkill]

Neil_Sc said:

If you apply a wax and then immediately apply another layer then you are most likely to take off most of the wax through the solvents used to carry the wax onto the paint, so in my mind you won't add much durability.

Personally I only ever apply 1 layer of paste wax/sealant in one go. If I want to add another layer I generally wait 24 hours unless I'm using a system such as Zaino with ZFX which allows 3 layers to be put on in 24 hours.

+1. I've usually had enough after all the preparation and the first layer anyway so just add a 2nd after the next wash.