New Car.....where do I start?
Discussion
Hello, you knowlegable folk 
First new car I've ever bought and I want it to give it a good life:
It went to PaintShield last Wed. So, in accordance with their instructions haven't washed with anything other than water, yet. (The film needs 7 days to cure apparently). It's got film on the bonnet, wings, mirror backs and front PU.
They have advised to use wax on their product and not to use 'chalky' based polishes for obvius reasons. I went out and bought 'cooking lager' Zymol wash and Zymol Wax (i forget their actual names but the wash looks like mouth wash and the cream/wax is turquoise and err..creamy.)
But then I've bottled it and thought I'd throw it open to the floor to ensure that I start with the right product and then continue with it.
I would be quite happy to have someone do the initial 'treatment' and then for me to continue on a monthly/when ever dirty basis.
So, you can see I'm a bit green here. Be gentle with me.
Suggestions please.
Ta.
Pete
First new car I've ever bought and I want it to give it a good life:
It went to PaintShield last Wed. So, in accordance with their instructions haven't washed with anything other than water, yet. (The film needs 7 days to cure apparently). It's got film on the bonnet, wings, mirror backs and front PU.
They have advised to use wax on their product and not to use 'chalky' based polishes for obvius reasons. I went out and bought 'cooking lager' Zymol wash and Zymol Wax (i forget their actual names but the wash looks like mouth wash and the cream/wax is turquoise and err..creamy.)
But then I've bottled it and thought I'd throw it open to the floor to ensure that I start with the right product and then continue with it.
I would be quite happy to have someone do the initial 'treatment' and then for me to continue on a monthly/when ever dirty basis.
So, you can see I'm a bit green here. Be gentle with me.
Suggestions please.
Ta.
Pete
When you say initial treatment, I presume you're referring to it needing polished to remove some swirls, etc?
If so, and as you're in Surrey, then our resident detailer extraordinaire - KDS - should be worth having it booked in with.
He'll also be able to show you and advise on what's the best way to maintain all his hard work!
And you've the rest of us here too, to ask any questions of.
If so, and as you're in Surrey, then our resident detailer extraordinaire - KDS - should be worth having it booked in with.
He'll also be able to show you and advise on what's the best way to maintain all his hard work!
And you've the rest of us here too, to ask any questions of.
PJ S said:
When you say initial treatment, I presume you're referring to it needing polished to remove some swirls, etc?
If so, and as you're in Surrey, then our resident detailer extraordinaire - KDS - should be worth having it booked in with.
He'll also be able to show you and advise on what's the best way to maintain all his hard work!
And you've the rest of us here too, to ask any questions of.
See, I got it all wrong straight away! Erm, by treatment I was just refering to it's first 'session' which (again I'm guessing) is important to get right???If so, and as you're in Surrey, then our resident detailer extraordinaire - KDS - should be worth having it booked in with.
He'll also be able to show you and advise on what's the best way to maintain all his hard work!
And you've the rest of us here too, to ask any questions of.
Anyway as is the way with PH, I have just had a call from a mate and have booked Rob from Supercar Detailing to have a go. He seemed passionate enough on the blower, and that means alot to me.
An open and shut one this. Ta
Pete
Lucky, whilst i'm sure you will be inundated with lots of suggestions of Dodo this, Zymol that and Lime prime the other. When we had our 1st Boxster, the manager of the OPC bodyshop in the west midlands (i've forgotten their name) suggested that the products I shoudl use, were the one's you have bought.
I'm sure however that the detail masters will be along shortly with a shopping list for you.
I'm sure however that the detail masters will be along shortly with a shopping list for you.
CatherineJ said:
Lucky, whilst i'm sure you will be inundated with lots of suggestions of Dodo this, Zymol that and Lime prime the other. When we had our 1st Boxster, the manager of the OPC bodyshop in the west midlands (i've forgotten their name) suggested that the products I shoudl use, were the one's you have bought.
I'm sure however that the detail masters will be along shortly with a shopping list for you.
Thanks for that. If smell is anything to go by, I'm sure they're winners!! Hmmm..I'm sure however that the detail masters will be along shortly with a shopping list for you.
There is nothing wrong with Zymol for what you need, but it is perhaps a bit pricey compared to other products out there. For a Paintshielded car (and I was emailing Ann at Paintshield about this earlier as a lot of their customers use our stuff), what I would recommend is a good pH neutral shampoo (the Zymol will be fine), an abrasive free cleanser for tar spots and the like (that the shampoo won't shift) - we do Lime Prime Lite but others exist... be wary though as some that claim to be abrasive free are merely low abrasive and still chalky... and finally a good wax or sealant to go on top. A basic Zymol, Dodo wax or whatever will be fine (try and stick to the colour free ones... Light Fantastic, Diamond White or Supernatural in our range... any dyes may not be good for the film in the long term).
I'd suggest the only thing you may need is that decent, non-solvent based cleanser, like Lime Prime Lite. And perhaps a quick detail spray for the occasional wipe down after. You could use the Zymol Field Glaze or our Time to Dry QD mixed 50/50 with water. Or maybe use 303 Aerospace Protectant, which is a plastic trim spray and therefore quite fit for purpose with the added advantage of some UV inhibition.
There's a lot of other stuff out there but we worked with Tom and Ann a year or two back when the range was developing, so got to play around with the paint film products, and the main trick is to keep abrasives, strong solvents and bright dyes away from them.
I'd suggest the only thing you may need is that decent, non-solvent based cleanser, like Lime Prime Lite. And perhaps a quick detail spray for the occasional wipe down after. You could use the Zymol Field Glaze or our Time to Dry QD mixed 50/50 with water. Or maybe use 303 Aerospace Protectant, which is a plastic trim spray and therefore quite fit for purpose with the added advantage of some UV inhibition.
There's a lot of other stuff out there but we worked with Tom and Ann a year or two back when the range was developing, so got to play around with the paint film products, and the main trick is to keep abrasives, strong solvents and bright dyes away from them.
Edited by domster on Tuesday 24th November 17:26
domster said:
There is nothing wrong with Zymol for what you need, but it is perhaps a bit pricey compared to other products out there. For a Paintshielded car (and I was emailing Ann at Paintshield about this earlier as a lot of their customers use our stuff), what I would recommend is a good pH neutral shampoo (the Zymol will be fine), an abrasive free cleanser for tar spots and the like (that the shampoo won't shift) - we do Lime Prime Lite but others exist... be wary though as some that claim to be abrasive free are merely low abrasive and still chalky... and finally a good wax or sealant to go on top. A basic Zymol, Dodo wax or whatever will be fine (try and stick to the colour free ones... Light Fantastic, Diamond White or Supernatural in our range... any dyes may not be good for the film in the long term).
I'd suggest the only thing you may need is that decent, non-solvent based cleanser, like Lime Prime Lite. And perhaps a quick detail spray for the occasional wipe down after. You could use the Zymol Field Glaze or our Time to Dry QD mixed 50/50 with water. Or maybe use 303 Aerospace Protectant, which is a plastic trim spray and therefore quite fit for purpose with the added advantage of some UV inhibition.
There's a lot of other stuff out there but we worked with Tom and Ann a year or two back when the range was developing, so got to play around with the paint film products, and the main trick is to keep abrasives, strong solvents and bright dyes away from them.
Cheers Dom. Most informative. Ann did site Dodo wax as a good product for their film.I'd suggest the only thing you may need is that decent, non-solvent based cleanser, like Lime Prime Lite. And perhaps a quick detail spray for the occasional wipe down after. You could use the Zymol Field Glaze or our Time to Dry QD mixed 50/50 with water. Or maybe use 303 Aerospace Protectant, which is a plastic trim spray and therefore quite fit for purpose with the added advantage of some UV inhibition.
There's a lot of other stuff out there but we worked with Tom and Ann a year or two back when the range was developing, so got to play around with the paint film products, and the main trick is to keep abrasives, strong solvents and bright dyes away from them.
Edited by domster on Tuesday 24th November 17:26
I'll print your comments off and give them to the Detailer coming next week.
Ta.
do you know if the orange peely effect that you get with the Paintshield film will be reduced when the wax is applied or is this something that you have to live with if you want to keep your car 'chip-free'?
Cheers
Pete
Hi Lucky
The orange peel will either be in the paint (BMWs are renowned for it but you can see it in some Porsche paint) or it could be an optical effect of the film (in the film or due to the film magnifying the surface it is stuck to). Either way it won't make much difference, sadly (nothing will mask orange peel that much).
If it is in the paint, the only option would have been about 4-5000 GBP of wet sanding to remove it, followed by the film application. Definitely one to live with in my book
ATB
D
The orange peel will either be in the paint (BMWs are renowned for it but you can see it in some Porsche paint) or it could be an optical effect of the film (in the film or due to the film magnifying the surface it is stuck to). Either way it won't make much difference, sadly (nothing will mask orange peel that much).
If it is in the paint, the only option would have been about 4-5000 GBP of wet sanding to remove it, followed by the film application. Definitely one to live with in my book
ATB
D
Edited by domster on Wednesday 25th November 16:03
domster said:
Hi Lucky
The orange peel will either be in the paint (BMWs are renowned for it but you can see it in some Porsche paint) or it could be an optical effect of the film (in the film or due to the film magnifying the surface it is stuck to). Either way it won't make much difference, sadly (nothing will mask orange peel that much).
If it is in the paint, the only option would have been about 4-5000 GBP of wet sanding to remove it, followed by the film application. Definitely one to live with in my book
ATB
D
I'll be livin with it for now. But looking across the door to wing joint, there is a noticable difference in orangepeelyness from door to PaintShielded front wing. Tom advised this is normal for this type of film. The orange peel will either be in the paint (BMWs are renowned for it but you can see it in some Porsche paint) or it could be an optical effect of the film (in the film or due to the film magnifying the surface it is stuck to). Either way it won't make much difference, sadly (nothing will mask orange peel that much).
If it is in the paint, the only option would have been about 4-5000 GBP of wet sanding to remove it, followed by the film application. Definitely one to live with in my book
ATB
D
I have to remember why I had film - to protect from track rash, but I didn't realise that film would have a surface finish like this. Hey ho.
LuckyP said:
domster said:
Hi Lucky
The orange peel will either be in the paint (BMWs are renowned for it but you can see it in some Porsche paint) or it could be an optical effect of the film (in the film or due to the film magnifying the surface it is stuck to). Either way it won't make much difference, sadly (nothing will mask orange peel that much).
If it is in the paint, the only option would have been about 4-5000 GBP of wet sanding to remove it, followed by the film application. Definitely one to live with in my book
ATB
D
I'll be livin with it for now. But looking across the door to wing joint, there is a noticable difference in orangepeelyness from door to PaintShielded front wing. Tom advised this is normal for this type of film. The orange peel will either be in the paint (BMWs are renowned for it but you can see it in some Porsche paint) or it could be an optical effect of the film (in the film or due to the film magnifying the surface it is stuck to). Either way it won't make much difference, sadly (nothing will mask orange peel that much).
If it is in the paint, the only option would have been about 4-5000 GBP of wet sanding to remove it, followed by the film application. Definitely one to live with in my book
ATB
D
I have to remember why I had film - to protect from track rash, but I didn't realise that film would have a surface finish like this. Hey ho.
Here is a picture of protection film on a Murcielargo thats with me and customer and me are in 2 minds if to remove it because of the finish film gives .
Headlight with film
here is the edge of the film on the bonnet and you can see the finish has more of an orange peel look to it and this is on a light bright colour , on a dark colour you will notice the affect much more so .
close up of bonnet with film
As its been said aswell using the wrong products can make the film yellow over time
The yellowing can be seen here on a Ford GT that i removed most of the film under the customers request
The left hand side silver stripe still has the film on , right hand side has been left with no film through out the cars life .
Did not expect to see swirls under the film on the bonnet even thou customer had asked for the paint to be corrected before appling film
Now i am not knocking paint film at all , if the ford Gt had not had film covering most of the vehicle for most of its life it would of needed a repaint by now as was everdent by small areas which were not covered by projection film looked like it had been shot blast , so the film done its job well
A non protected part up close
Paint films work well , if a side effect is slightly poorer look to the paint and need a little caution on products to clean film .
DODO juice natural waxes will be fine , just keep away from products with abrasives and high solvents really , i also read alot that zaino sealents are best kept away from paint films
Dom where did you get those wet sanding prices from
HTH Kelly
kds keltec said:
Did not expect to see swirls under the film on the bonnet even thou customer had asked for the paint to be corrected before appling film
Now i am not knocking paint film at all , if the ford Gt had not had film covering most of the vehicle for most of its life it would of needed a repaint by now as was everdent by small areas which were not covered by projection film looked like it had been shot blast , so the film done its job well
A non protected part up close
Paint films work well , if a side effect is slightly poorer look to the paint and need a little caution on products to clean film .
DODO juice natural waxes will be fine , just keep away from products with abrasives and high solvents really , i also read alot that zaino sealents are best kept away from paint films
Dom where did you get those wet sanding prices from
HTH Kelly
LuckyP - how you doing chap? Congrats on the new purchase, I hope it lives up to the Ultima!Now i am not knocking paint film at all , if the ford Gt had not had film covering most of the vehicle for most of its life it would of needed a repaint by now as was everdent by small areas which were not covered by projection film looked like it had been shot blast , so the film done its job well
A non protected part up close
Paint films work well , if a side effect is slightly poorer look to the paint and need a little caution on products to clean film .
DODO juice natural waxes will be fine , just keep away from products with abrasives and high solvents really , i also read alot that zaino sealents are best kept away from paint films
Dom where did you get those wet sanding prices from
HTH Kelly
Just my 2p's worth - listen to this man KDS. He REALLY knows what he's talking about. The Ford GT he's referenced was a PH'ers that also came along to my big Wilton House do.
(the following pics shamelessly nicked off KDS's photobucket)
ETA - the Lambo's on here too - http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0...
Edited by JayKaybi on Thursday 26th November 12:56
LuckyP said:
Thanks for all that. Looks like what I got with a film is what you'd expect.
So Kelly, I'll be along in about err...3 yrs to give the 'ole gal a wet sand to give here a little face lift!!
Thanks for your comments all - most interesting.
Pete
Thanks Pete So Kelly, I'll be along in about err...3 yrs to give the 'ole gal a wet sand to give here a little face lift!!
Thanks for your comments all - most interesting.
Pete
may see in sometime in the future for some cosmetic surgery
Kelly
OK, so handed the keys to the car over to Rob today from Supercar Detailing at 7.30 this morning, ensured he was tea'd up for the day 
and left him to it.
He called at 4pm saying all was done.
When I came back, I was greeted be this sparkly beastie:
Very pleased. Trouble is I really don't know what he did. He's gonna write me a short maintainance programme so I try my best to keep her looking good.
He did take some photo for me ofd the process, so perhaps it would be within the posting rules for him to explain what he did?
Anyway. Thanks Rob.
Pete
and left him to it.He called at 4pm saying all was done.
When I came back, I was greeted be this sparkly beastie:
Very pleased. Trouble is I really don't know what he did. He's gonna write me a short maintainance programme so I try my best to keep her looking good.
He did take some photo for me ofd the process, so perhaps it would be within the posting rules for him to explain what he did?
Anyway. Thanks Rob.
Pete
Just wash VERY carefully with a pH neutral shampoo... it will be very easy to introduce swirls on black paint, even if a tougher Porsche finish.
Don't rub the flies/tar away... use a pre-wash/degreaser on the areas that need it, or even something like our Lime Prime Lite (this is a good cleanser but tends to leave waxes/sealants untouched beneath as it is abrasive free).
Wash technique will be the most important aspect. Two buckets (one wash, one rinse), inspection of your sponge/mitt every time you make contact with the paint. Dry with very soft towels.
Don't rub the flies/tar away... use a pre-wash/degreaser on the areas that need it, or even something like our Lime Prime Lite (this is a good cleanser but tends to leave waxes/sealants untouched beneath as it is abrasive free).
Wash technique will be the most important aspect. Two buckets (one wash, one rinse), inspection of your sponge/mitt every time you make contact with the paint. Dry with very soft towels.
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