Aquartz / Gtechniq .
Discussion
Hi bud
IMHO A quartz glass coat is one of 2, of the best glasscoats in the world. Everyone knows by now that garage 5 year guarentee protections(such as life shine, superguard etc) are rubbish. In what I have seen on customers cars, they last a max of six months. I have only ever opted for A-quartz for use on customers cars as a long term protection. The truthful facts are the glass coat will last 2 years if maintained well, and wash with ph neutral products. It does reduce scratching, so such as bush run down a country road, and customers washing with a slightly gritty sponge, will no longer mar the clearcoat. I can vouch it really does work though, and apart from hi moah glass coat is defently my favourite. Its not that complex to use, and if you have use a rotary before, you will find it relatively simple to apply the stages.
Regards Mike
IMHO A quartz glass coat is one of 2, of the best glasscoats in the world. Everyone knows by now that garage 5 year guarentee protections(such as life shine, superguard etc) are rubbish. In what I have seen on customers cars, they last a max of six months. I have only ever opted for A-quartz for use on customers cars as a long term protection. The truthful facts are the glass coat will last 2 years if maintained well, and wash with ph neutral products. It does reduce scratching, so such as bush run down a country road, and customers washing with a slightly gritty sponge, will no longer mar the clearcoat. I can vouch it really does work though, and apart from hi moah glass coat is defently my favourite. Its not that complex to use, and if you have use a rotary before, you will find it relatively simple to apply the stages.
Regards Mike
A-quartz is not on the level of protection, durability or hardness of Gtechniq.
I have done extensive testing with many many of these types of sealants, in real world test as well as accelerated durability tests.
My advise out of those two would be Gtechniq hands down. only draw back is the C1 coating (the bit thats great) is pro only application.
You can put a wax on top at a latter date if you like, but its doubtful you will need/want to.
I have done extensive testing with many many of these types of sealants, in real world test as well as accelerated durability tests.
My advise out of those two would be Gtechniq hands down. only draw back is the C1 coating (the bit thats great) is pro only application.
You can put a wax on top at a latter date if you like, but its doubtful you will need/want to.
Edited by Auto finesse on Sunday 22 August 20:00
Auto finesse said:
A-quartz is not on the level of protection, durability or hardness of Gtechniq.
I have done extensive testing with many many of these types of sealants, in real world test as well as accelerated durability tests.
My advise out of those two would be Gtechniq hands down. only draw back is the C1 coating (the bit thats great) is pro only application.
You can put a wax on top at a latter date if you like, but its doubtful you will need/want to.
Hi James I have done extensive testing with many many of these types of sealants, in real world test as well as accelerated durability tests.
My advise out of those two would be Gtechniq hands down. only draw back is the C1 coating (the bit thats great) is pro only application.
You can put a wax on top at a latter date if you like, but its doubtful you will need/want to.
Edited by Auto finesse on Sunday 22 August 20:00
I am with you on this as well , G techniq is now on my own vehicles and now offer a detail package using the G techniq products as i am that impressed .
Does not leave the feel on the paint surface like other LSP's whihc may make public think its not protecting , but it sure is
Kelly
Hi Kelly .
You say you offer a detailing package using this product ?
Being old and not really computer literate I have been on your excellent website and have not seen any reference to this .
The Aquartz is looking a better option purely because it's available to the general public and must be reasonably good if Polished Bliss sell it .
However I will be guided by you if you could point me in the right direction regarding price's .
Regard's John .
You say you offer a detailing package using this product ?
Being old and not really computer literate I have been on your excellent website and have not seen any reference to this .
The Aquartz is looking a better option purely because it's available to the general public and must be reasonably good if Polished Bliss sell it .
However I will be guided by you if you could point me in the right direction regarding price's .
Regard's John .
johnS2000 said:
Hi Kelly .
You say you offer a detailing package using this product ?
Being old and not really computer literate I have been on your excellent website and have not seen any reference to this .
The Aquartz is looking a better option purely because it's available to the general public and must be reasonably good if Polished Bliss sell it .
However I will be guided by you if you could point me in the right direction regarding price's .
Regard's John .
Hi John You say you offer a detailing package using this product ?
Being old and not really computer literate I have been on your excellent website and have not seen any reference to this .
The Aquartz is looking a better option purely because it's available to the general public and must be reasonably good if Polished Bliss sell it .
However I will be guided by you if you could point me in the right direction regarding price's .
Regard's John .
sorry , its not on the website yet just finished writing the draft version needs reading through from a few people and then some artwork , then it will be on the website .
Best thing is to choose a package then we can add the coatings you wish to that package , and remember the packages are not set in stone and more a guide to help the public understand want is involved and what we can do .
The easy way for now is either ring the landline and tracy will run through some options , or look on the optional extras price menu , things like upgrade of wax , That would be the C1 pro use coating , glass treatment that would be the G1 coating , alloy wheel coating would be C5 coating and so on .
If you was to choose the zaino package then it would be ever so slightly more expensive to change to G techniq products .
This is because the G techniq products work out near on £1 per ml , less is more with G techniq .
We have a large banner up all about the products in the workshop fliers and price lists in the office and have plenty in stock for sale for customers after care too .
I was sent some samples of A quartz and tried it ,and its ok .
The G techniq range has been around longer and been tested by more pros which have all gave it good feed back , even some other wax company's have said how good the coatings are (in confidence of course) , i have seen the claims (posted from the company selling the products) on Detailing world for A quartz to which james (auto finesse) has replied to and i agree with what he has wrote there too , that may confidence with A quartz has gone the wrong way with silly claims posted and some examples which are clearly rubbish of what can be done an a few hours with the A products .
The G techniq range has been developed from a detailing company which are familiar with the art of machine polishing / correcting and protecting just like dodo juice , thats enough for me and meeting both company's backed up what they are about
Its the small thing like a few hours after using a small makeup pad to apply G techniq C1 its turns very hard just like the residue around the top of the container .
I have just applied the C1 coating to a Honda (solid black) NSX to help reduce the marking on the supersoft paint.
I think it covers most things
hope this helps
kelly
Thank's Kelly .
The problem I have is this car is in pretty good nick .
It is a daily driver and is suffering from some nick's here and there , however although I do not pretend to be anywhere near you in expertise I do do thing's like wash / dry properly and I do clean out /dress wheel arche's and am trying to fit in a paint correction session sometime very soon ( the second time I have done this from new ) So cannot justify ( especially to the CEO )taking it somebody else for a full detail .
Would it be possible to come around for a chat about what it actually need's before an application of Gtechniq , possibly going a bit easy on my effort's at detailing
Kind Regard's
John .
The problem I have is this car is in pretty good nick .
It is a daily driver and is suffering from some nick's here and there , however although I do not pretend to be anywhere near you in expertise I do do thing's like wash / dry properly and I do clean out /dress wheel arche's and am trying to fit in a paint correction session sometime very soon ( the second time I have done this from new ) So cannot justify ( especially to the CEO )taking it somebody else for a full detail .
Would it be possible to come around for a chat about what it actually need's before an application of Gtechniq , possibly going a bit easy on my effort's at detailing
Kind Regard's
John .
Edited by johnS2000 on Monday 23 August 11:45
johnS2000 said:
Thank's Kelly .
The problem I have is this car is in pretty good nick .
It is a daily driver and is suffering from some nick's here and there , however although I do not pretend to be anywhere near you in expertise I do do thing's like wash / dry properly and I do clean out /dress wheel arche's and am trying to fit in a paint correction session sometime very soon ( the second time I have done this from new ) So cannot justify ( especially to the CEO )taking it somebody else for a full detail .
Would it be possible to come around for a chat about what it actually need's before an application of Gtechniq , possibly going a bit easy on my effort's at detailing
Kind Regard's
John .
Of course The problem I have is this car is in pretty good nick .
It is a daily driver and is suffering from some nick's here and there , however although I do not pretend to be anywhere near you in expertise I do do thing's like wash / dry properly and I do clean out /dress wheel arche's and am trying to fit in a paint correction session sometime very soon ( the second time I have done this from new ) So cannot justify ( especially to the CEO )taking it somebody else for a full detail .
Would it be possible to come around for a chat about what it actually need's before an application of Gtechniq , possibly going a bit easy on my effort's at detailing
Kind Regard's
John .
Edited by johnS2000 on Monday 23 August 11:45
Kelly
kds keltec said:
johnS2000 said:
Thank's Kelly .
The problem I have is this car is in pretty good nick .
It is a daily driver and is suffering from some nick's here and there , however although I do not pretend to be anywhere near you in expertise I do do thing's like wash / dry properly and I do clean out /dress wheel arche's and am trying to fit in a paint correction session sometime very soon ( the second time I have done this from new ) So cannot justify ( especially to the CEO )taking it somebody else for a full detail .
Would it be possible to come around for a chat about what it actually need's before an application of Gtechniq , possibly going a bit easy on my effort's at detailing
Kind Regard's
John .
Of course The problem I have is this car is in pretty good nick .
It is a daily driver and is suffering from some nick's here and there , however although I do not pretend to be anywhere near you in expertise I do do thing's like wash / dry properly and I do clean out /dress wheel arche's and am trying to fit in a paint correction session sometime very soon ( the second time I have done this from new ) So cannot justify ( especially to the CEO )taking it somebody else for a full detail .
Would it be possible to come around for a chat about what it actually need's before an application of Gtechniq , possibly going a bit easy on my effort's at detailing
Kind Regard's
John .
Edited by johnS2000 on Monday 23 August 11:45
Kelly
johnS2000 said:
kds keltec said:
johnS2000 said:
Thank's Kelly .
The problem I have is this car is in pretty good nick .
It is a daily driver and is suffering from some nick's here and there , however although I do not pretend to be anywhere near you in expertise I do do thing's like wash / dry properly and I do clean out /dress wheel arche's and am trying to fit in a paint correction session sometime very soon ( the second time I have done this from new ) So cannot justify ( especially to the CEO )taking it somebody else for a full detail .
Would it be possible to come around for a chat about what it actually need's before an application of Gtechniq , possibly going a bit easy on my effort's at detailing
Kind Regard's
John .
Of course The problem I have is this car is in pretty good nick .
It is a daily driver and is suffering from some nick's here and there , however although I do not pretend to be anywhere near you in expertise I do do thing's like wash / dry properly and I do clean out /dress wheel arche's and am trying to fit in a paint correction session sometime very soon ( the second time I have done this from new ) So cannot justify ( especially to the CEO )taking it somebody else for a full detail .
Would it be possible to come around for a chat about what it actually need's before an application of Gtechniq , possibly going a bit easy on my effort's at detailing
Kind Regard's
John .
Edited by johnS2000 on Monday 23 August 11:45
Kelly
It was the advice of a few well known detailing suppliers that told me what to change in the business plan and one was to stop giving free advice to customers all with words like their are not your friends and only a customer when they use you .
Taken me more than a year to change and put this in place and it was very to do soo , and if did not wont have shut by now .
you was the fifth walkin and had over 10 phone calls from people / customers like yourself , if i dealt with all of them and the 15 email enquires today then no work would of progressed .
this is why i have left a answer phone message to ring between 9am to 2pm and at least that way work can work the other half the day in piece.
this is the thing with the trade it will always interest the OCD type people that are extrememly passionate about all things detailing which means a very good chance of long chats about how when and what , and boy i have been there and done it over and over to the point of thinking of shutting and starting again .
He is the situation , you are a genuine customer that has his car booked with us and on collection you are disapointed with our work or its had to over run , then i explain that we have had so many walkins that want to discuss all about detailing and that we ran out of time on your car would you be happy .
This does not happen now, the reason first way was to deal with every enquiry as a customer and spend time with them and i am sure too much time (the penalty of being passionate at what you do) , then work 7 days a week sometimes sleeping at the workshop for a few hours or just not stopping for a few hours sleep , missing family arrangements parties etc just not to let the customer down .
After long advice from my customers who own business , accountant and other detailer type companys , only spend the time with the real customers that want to book there car in , and then only have a quick chat with them once they are dropping of their car (not when they say they will book their car once they have spoke to me)
So you could spend 30 mins maybe an hour and we make a few pounds on the products , that could go on all day if i let it would we have a business .
The last 2 weeks has been the worst for the amount of enquires worst meaning loads , compounded by tracy have a few weeks of for leave with her kids even thou she has came back in on and off to try and help .
There is a car sitting in the workshop that the customer swapped a couple of emails and left his car with me for 2 solid weeks of work of which we are one of the only companys in the country and most of which is done by myself , the cost is in the thousands this will always be the part that grabs my attention and not a hobby detailer that comes in buys a clay and tells my staff he is a detailer , and on the next visit has asked for information on a product that he could speak direct to the company that makes and supplies .
I made it simple in the last post saying how to work out what package to choose to have G techniq C1 on your car ,
Go to any decent , surgeon , dentist accountant or solicitor at the top of their game you would need to make an appointment for advice or a check up , and then pay for that advice , no difference with us work are carrying the highest and riskest form of surgery on vehicles .
Sorry if this does not go to plan for yourself , but look at it from my point of view , when you was told how much to apply the products to your car (which by the way owner of G techniq thinks is too cheap as i have sent him a draft copy of the G techniq pakages that KDS will be offering) you said you will have to go away and think about and i guess at slightly cheaper price than i should .
3 ways buy some products and give it ago yourself , bookin for an hours demo of the products and pay for the plesure or book it in for us to do it properly and you will be blown away .
Which do you choose
but i think you did when you told my member of staff that its only £39 for A quartz and you can do it yourself , so what more can we do give you a free sample of the more expensive product , and did you not ask can it be layered too ?
Ask G techniq here those sort of questions i am sure they will answer them fully for you to make it easy here is the link
http://gtechniq.com/
Hope this helps Kelly
on a side note i bet there is alot of PH members (customers / friends) who will back me up on i dont even answer all there calls or emails etc as i just cant do so , but they dont get upset as they understand a little more .
Edited by kds keltec on Wednesday 25th August 22:25
Kelly's reply may seem a tad stand-offish but he is one of the nicest, as well as busiest, people you could hope to meet. If he can't chat for hours it isn't because he doesn't want to, it's because he can't afford to - he has a business to run like everyone else. That he manages to pop in here to post, and go to shows to do demos, is amazing, given the workload.
I had thought John was joking with the post, but I guess from Kelly's reply that the red carpet wasn't rolled out and waiting, the kettle was cold, and it wasn't a joke. Not the greatest experience for sure. But can we really expect to drop in on forum acquaintances and get the same jovial banter we do online, or get the same forum help if someone is pre-occupied elsewhere (especially if deeply involved in some other work)?
Funnily enough, there is a well known detailer I know of who helps no-one but himself and is the least accommodating person I have met when it comes to sharing info - Kelly puts them to shame in comparison with his overall approach and politeness so it seems like an uncharacteristic and unfortunate episode. Although one that does illustrate how busy Kelly is these days and how shielded from his public he must be... there'll be paparazzi next and Susan Boyle will be bursting out of a big birthday cake outside Lepsons to sing him a greeting!
I had thought John was joking with the post, but I guess from Kelly's reply that the red carpet wasn't rolled out and waiting, the kettle was cold, and it wasn't a joke. Not the greatest experience for sure. But can we really expect to drop in on forum acquaintances and get the same jovial banter we do online, or get the same forum help if someone is pre-occupied elsewhere (especially if deeply involved in some other work)?
Funnily enough, there is a well known detailer I know of who helps no-one but himself and is the least accommodating person I have met when it comes to sharing info - Kelly puts them to shame in comparison with his overall approach and politeness so it seems like an uncharacteristic and unfortunate episode. Although one that does illustrate how busy Kelly is these days and how shielded from his public he must be... there'll be paparazzi next and Susan Boyle will be bursting out of a big birthday cake outside Lepsons to sing him a greeting!
Edited by domster on Wednesday 25th August 22:34
I am sorry that you see thing's like this .
I responded to your answer to a previuos question I.E. wuold it be possible to come around to chat about my requirment's ? as in the application of a product that is for pro use only i.e. Gtechniq , that I first became aware of by coming to your workshop and seeing the banner and being recomended this product by a member of your staff and by Jame's of autofinesse .
I am sure you understand that to pay for a machine polish prior to application is in my mind unnessasery and wanted confirmation that my effort's where adaquate for you to apply Gtechniq or if further refining was needed .
I think as a hobbyist in the detailing community I do not need to be belittled on an open forum for being a little more caring for my car's by someone who has such a high standing in pro detailing circle's .
I asked if it would be possible to chat .
You said yes when you should have said no , I do not chat to potential customer's only customer's that have booked
As for 'going away and thinking about' I did not say that. I , unfortunatly , being married , know my place in the scheme of thing's and have to apply for cash to do these thing's from 'the managment ' So will never commit on the spot to anything .
I was informed that you had a 2 week lead that would allow me to organise this + time off + lift's to and from your place , nothing to do with finding it cheaper elseware .
Although if I could find a supplier of this product I would .
And I am sure that there are detailer's out there that do charge for advice / give instruction and I would happily take advantage of this !
edit
Are you getting me mixed up with some one else ? A member of your staff said 'I said Aqaurtz was only £39' ? It's only £30 And yes I can apply it myself !!! But you said Gtechniq was better !!! hence my request to visit !!!!
Kind regard' John .
I responded to your answer to a previuos question I.E. wuold it be possible to come around to chat about my requirment's ? as in the application of a product that is for pro use only i.e. Gtechniq , that I first became aware of by coming to your workshop and seeing the banner and being recomended this product by a member of your staff and by Jame's of autofinesse .
I am sure you understand that to pay for a machine polish prior to application is in my mind unnessasery and wanted confirmation that my effort's where adaquate for you to apply Gtechniq or if further refining was needed .
I think as a hobbyist in the detailing community I do not need to be belittled on an open forum for being a little more caring for my car's by someone who has such a high standing in pro detailing circle's .
I asked if it would be possible to chat .
You said yes when you should have said no , I do not chat to potential customer's only customer's that have booked
As for 'going away and thinking about' I did not say that. I , unfortunatly , being married , know my place in the scheme of thing's and have to apply for cash to do these thing's from 'the managment ' So will never commit on the spot to anything .
I was informed that you had a 2 week lead that would allow me to organise this + time off + lift's to and from your place , nothing to do with finding it cheaper elseware .
Although if I could find a supplier of this product I would .
And I am sure that there are detailer's out there that do charge for advice / give instruction and I would happily take advantage of this !
edit
Are you getting me mixed up with some one else ? A member of your staff said 'I said Aqaurtz was only £39' ? It's only £30 And yes I can apply it myself !!! But you said Gtechniq was better !!! hence my request to visit !!!!
Kind regard' John .
Edited by johnS2000 on Wednesday 25th August 22:57
domster said:
Kelly's reply may seem a tad stand-offish but he is one of the nicest, as well as busiest, people you could hope to meet. If he can't chat for hours it isn't because he doesn't want to, it's because he can't afford to - he has a business to run like everyone else. That he manages to pop in here to post, and go to shows to do demos, is amazing, given the workload.
I had thought John was joking with the post, but I guess from Kelly's reply that the red carpet wasn't rolled out and waiting, the kettle was cold, and it wasn't a joke. Not the greatest experience for sure. But can we really expect to drop in on forum acquaintances and get the same jovial banter we do online, or get the same forum help if someone is pre-occupied elsewhere (especially if deeply involved in some other work)?
Funnily enough, there is a well known detailer I know of who helps no-one but himself and is the least accommodating person I have met when it comes to sharing info - Kelly puts them to shame in comparison with his overall approach and politeness so it seems like an uncharacteristic and unfortunate episode. Although one that does illustrate how busy Kelly is these days and how shielded from his public he must be... there'll be paparazzi next and Susan Boyle will be bursting out of a big birthday cake outside Lepsons to sing him a greeting!
I have alway's had the highest regard for Kelly due to being a longtime lurker .I had thought John was joking with the post, but I guess from Kelly's reply that the red carpet wasn't rolled out and waiting, the kettle was cold, and it wasn't a joke. Not the greatest experience for sure. But can we really expect to drop in on forum acquaintances and get the same jovial banter we do online, or get the same forum help if someone is pre-occupied elsewhere (especially if deeply involved in some other work)?
Funnily enough, there is a well known detailer I know of who helps no-one but himself and is the least accommodating person I have met when it comes to sharing info - Kelly puts them to shame in comparison with his overall approach and politeness so it seems like an uncharacteristic and unfortunate episode. Although one that does illustrate how busy Kelly is these days and how shielded from his public he must be... there'll be paparazzi next and Susan Boyle will be bursting out of a big birthday cake outside Lepsons to sing him a greeting!
Edited by domster on Wednesday 25th August 22:34
However he did say yes when he mean't no !
I was not expecting the red carpet or tea , I was expecting a ' what need's to be done '
before an application Gtechniq !
After all would a business prefer a few hour's of work to apply this stuff or no hour's work because I cannot afford a full machine polish / detail before application ?
Did you try Rob at GTechniq in the first instance?
Again, he is a helpful chap although it is a pro-sealant, so I'm not sure if that clouds the circumstances.
The problem is that C1 does not make the paint look good in itself - the paintwork must be polished for shine as you will already know - so many pros will only apply it after a machine polish to ensure it 1) looks good and 2) scratches can be removed before the new improved (medium) scratch resistance can be implemented by the nano coating. Hand applying C1 - well, it needs decent surface prep even if not machine polished, ie absolutely clean and free from all oils, products and contaminants. So a claying and solvent wipedown would be minimum. Then it's out with the bottle and applicator pad and a deft touch is required as it is a bit odd to work with compared to traditional sealants or waxes.
It's really the finishing touch of much longer details, so I suppose Kelly sees it as a final step - maybe it was like walking into Gordon Ramsey's restaurant and just asking to see the dessert menu?!
Maybe the real issue is how sealants and waxes are built up to be the most critical part of a detail in peoples' eyes, how they need this vs that and only this new superwax or nano sealant will do, but the truth is many hours of machine polishing will only give you a finish truly worth showing off. The sealants and waxes are icing on the cake, and people like Kelly love the cake rather than admiring the hundreds and thousands. So there could have been some simple cross wires in philosophies (ie Kelly is polishing rather than LSP driven), although it does seem that there could be some crossed wires in terms of an invitation to pop in as well... I think forums are full of open invitations and only a few ever get acted on, and when is a smiley not a smiley... is it a 'sure, whatever' or a 'sure, see you tomorrow'... it can all go a bit wrong.
Again, he is a helpful chap although it is a pro-sealant, so I'm not sure if that clouds the circumstances.
The problem is that C1 does not make the paint look good in itself - the paintwork must be polished for shine as you will already know - so many pros will only apply it after a machine polish to ensure it 1) looks good and 2) scratches can be removed before the new improved (medium) scratch resistance can be implemented by the nano coating. Hand applying C1 - well, it needs decent surface prep even if not machine polished, ie absolutely clean and free from all oils, products and contaminants. So a claying and solvent wipedown would be minimum. Then it's out with the bottle and applicator pad and a deft touch is required as it is a bit odd to work with compared to traditional sealants or waxes.
It's really the finishing touch of much longer details, so I suppose Kelly sees it as a final step - maybe it was like walking into Gordon Ramsey's restaurant and just asking to see the dessert menu?!
Maybe the real issue is how sealants and waxes are built up to be the most critical part of a detail in peoples' eyes, how they need this vs that and only this new superwax or nano sealant will do, but the truth is many hours of machine polishing will only give you a finish truly worth showing off. The sealants and waxes are icing on the cake, and people like Kelly love the cake rather than admiring the hundreds and thousands. So there could have been some simple cross wires in philosophies (ie Kelly is polishing rather than LSP driven), although it does seem that there could be some crossed wires in terms of an invitation to pop in as well... I think forums are full of open invitations and only a few ever get acted on, and when is a smiley not a smiley... is it a 'sure, whatever' or a 'sure, see you tomorrow'... it can all go a bit wrong.
Edited by domster on Wednesday 25th August 23:10
johnS2000 said:
domster said:
Kelly's reply may seem a tad stand-offish but he is one of the nicest, as well as busiest, people you could hope to meet. If he can't chat for hours it isn't because he doesn't want to, it's because he can't afford to - he has a business to run like everyone else. That he manages to pop in here to post, and go to shows to do demos, is amazing, given the workload.
I had thought John was joking with the post, but I guess from Kelly's reply that the red carpet wasn't rolled out and waiting, the kettle was cold, and it wasn't a joke. Not the greatest experience for sure. But can we really expect to drop in on forum acquaintances and get the same jovial banter we do online, or get the same forum help if someone is pre-occupied elsewhere (especially if deeply involved in some other work)?
Funnily enough, there is a well known detailer I know of who helps no-one but himself and is the least accommodating person I have met when it comes to sharing info - Kelly puts them to shame in comparison with his overall approach and politeness so it seems like an uncharacteristic and unfortunate episode. Although one that does illustrate how busy Kelly is these days and how shielded from his public he must be... there'll be paparazzi next and Susan Boyle will be bursting out of a big birthday cake outside Lepsons to sing him a greeting!
I have alway's had the highest regard for Kelly due to being a longtime lurker .I had thought John was joking with the post, but I guess from Kelly's reply that the red carpet wasn't rolled out and waiting, the kettle was cold, and it wasn't a joke. Not the greatest experience for sure. But can we really expect to drop in on forum acquaintances and get the same jovial banter we do online, or get the same forum help if someone is pre-occupied elsewhere (especially if deeply involved in some other work)?
Funnily enough, there is a well known detailer I know of who helps no-one but himself and is the least accommodating person I have met when it comes to sharing info - Kelly puts them to shame in comparison with his overall approach and politeness so it seems like an uncharacteristic and unfortunate episode. Although one that does illustrate how busy Kelly is these days and how shielded from his public he must be... there'll be paparazzi next and Susan Boyle will be bursting out of a big birthday cake outside Lepsons to sing him a greeting!
Edited by domster on Wednesday 25th August 22:34
However he did say yes when he mean't no !
I was not expecting the red carpet or tea , I was expecting a ' what need's to be done '
before an application Gtechniq !
After all would a business prefer a few hour's of work to apply this stuff or no hour's work because I cannot afford a full machine polish / detail before application ?
Pro use G techniq C1 its pro for a good reason , it does not improve the look of the car unlike near on all other waxes and sealents , so some maybe be dissapointed if the paint is not perfect (which most wont be perfect) .
Its very expensive and if you used the normall micro fibre aplicator with sponge center the entire bottle would be empty on the first couple of applications which means you would run out before finishing the car .
It will NOT work unless the paint is perfectly clean which means you have to use degreaser which leaves the paint oil free , this is when IPA is used to clean the paintwork surface before aplication of the C1 , it wont bond properly if this is not done .
Here lies the next problem you have machine polished the car yourself , which you told tracy on the first visit , if you did not Panel wipe the paint with IPA or similar then you are not vieiwing the REAL correctted paint surface as near on all products (quick detail sprays , cutting compounds , waxes , sealents , even shampoos) contain fillers to improve the look , then you have told greg today that you have applied natty boys paste or similar adding to an improvement in looks wise .
So when i spend time with you expalining that If you book in for this quick application of C1 that it will look worse than when you brought the car to use but the durability is of the charts in terms of protection and water beeding , are you going to book in with use .
The answer is NO , you had enough time with 2 of my staff and just did not here what you wanted too , i guess i should of booked you and lied and saying it will look great .
I can see the situiation now , you have spent hours and hours machine polishing your pride and joy , i you think its perfect then i wipe down the car correctly to apply C1 and remove all the "additives" , you collect your car and then view it in the direct sun light and street lamps and swear there are more marks visable who do you blame ????
There is far more to what we do at my level than hobby guys will ever understand , you proved it with aplling a product to your car in readiness for a long lasting , quartz / crystal product which will actually make it not work .
I even still find this with Pro detailers who , ring or email and on the odd occassion re doing detailers work just because Proper detailing is part science and part art form and its knowing which is which , 20 years of experirance is not for nothing you know
I have many pro detailers asking for training by myself and take that as big compliment , but it does not come for free , all thou it does on forums for all to read and that is where it stops , i choose this way as i can help many members in one go when i have time to do so , and this is sitting behind the desk in my office upstairs (as part of the remove myself from questions from public)while either grabbing something to eat or as now still at work and will be working through the night to finish a customers the way i want and on time .
I choose when to post and fit it around my personal life sometimes to my cost , as it seems i am never off duty .
As before sorry we could not help , but thousands of customers not everyone is going to be happy even thou you was after advice that you got .
Kelly
edit to say no dom and me are not sitting on each other laps lol
funny how the threads read the same that we have posted
kelly
Edited by kds keltec on Wednesday 25th August 23:24
Edited by kds keltec on Wednesday 25th August 23:34
By the way John ,
i have been given the heads up that you are posting on other forums on the same topic , not going to do you any favours at all if you want to gain respect on a forum that you have only just joined
You will gain nothing and get now where apart from some stress relief maybe , take a chill pill and just decide what product you want on your car and do it end of .
there are far more things to worry about then kelly did not speak to me , on a funny side this is no lie i had a grown man cry once due to i did not speak about his brothers car and in the past always did so much and was so helpfull , whats that rod for your own back saying
kelly
i have been given the heads up that you are posting on other forums on the same topic , not going to do you any favours at all if you want to gain respect on a forum that you have only just joined
You will gain nothing and get now where apart from some stress relief maybe , take a chill pill and just decide what product you want on your car and do it end of .
there are far more things to worry about then kelly did not speak to me , on a funny side this is no lie i had a grown man cry once due to i did not speak about his brothers car and in the past always did so much and was so helpfull , whats that rod for your own back saying
kelly
Edited by kds keltec on Wednesday 25th August 23:31
Here for everyone to understand a little more to the problems of prodcuts that DONT contain fillers , and will back up why the correct way takes alot longer than most think .
An example of a meduim cutting compund which in fairness does not fill anywhere as much as some more common compounds on the market .
Nice swirly panel about average damage on hard paint
meduim pad and meduim compound (not showing the compound product)
A few hits later and the cutting action has broke down and oiled nicely
Then used a dedicated inspection cleaner to remove oil and evaluate paint finish
Leaving this
now you apply wax sealent over the top , or even one step better aplly pre wax cleanser like lime prime hd cleanse etc in readiness for sealent or wax
This is an example how much fillers can be in such a product
wet sanded panel , like millions of scratches
wipe once lightly by hand over half the panel
leaving this
remember how much the pre wax cleanser has improved the paint and so will the wax on top .
Back to the compound only panel that looks close to perfect with just machine correction .
Masked ready to remove filling oils left by machining process
Dont try this for yourself use IPA not thinners as i have , these photos i was also testing different wipe down products and wanted to fully sure of removal of fillers and oils
very light gentle wipe over
And here is the truth
this would of been exaggerated if i pre cleansed and waxed then done a 50/50 wipe down , one side would look perfect one side would look like its not been machined polished .
This is why you see alot of cars that look great just after a detail machine session , but give it a few washes and let the suns UV rays do their work , you have a swirly sometime buffer line holagramed paint work after a month or so .
thats the difference when knowing its not going to happen , as we have made many passes in different cuts over days and days even thou it looks finished then panel wiped all surfaces to ensure absolute correction , this does 2 things no horror is going to show its ugly head in the future and we have gave the wax / sealent or nano quartz product the best chance to bond to the paint's surface .
Hope that makes sense and helps
kelly
An example of a meduim cutting compund which in fairness does not fill anywhere as much as some more common compounds on the market .
Nice swirly panel about average damage on hard paint
meduim pad and meduim compound (not showing the compound product)
A few hits later and the cutting action has broke down and oiled nicely
Then used a dedicated inspection cleaner to remove oil and evaluate paint finish
Leaving this
now you apply wax sealent over the top , or even one step better aplly pre wax cleanser like lime prime hd cleanse etc in readiness for sealent or wax
This is an example how much fillers can be in such a product
wet sanded panel , like millions of scratches
wipe once lightly by hand over half the panel
leaving this
remember how much the pre wax cleanser has improved the paint and so will the wax on top .
Back to the compound only panel that looks close to perfect with just machine correction .
Masked ready to remove filling oils left by machining process
Dont try this for yourself use IPA not thinners as i have , these photos i was also testing different wipe down products and wanted to fully sure of removal of fillers and oils
very light gentle wipe over
And here is the truth
this would of been exaggerated if i pre cleansed and waxed then done a 50/50 wipe down , one side would look perfect one side would look like its not been machined polished .
This is why you see alot of cars that look great just after a detail machine session , but give it a few washes and let the suns UV rays do their work , you have a swirly sometime buffer line holagramed paint work after a month or so .
thats the difference when knowing its not going to happen , as we have made many passes in different cuts over days and days even thou it looks finished then panel wiped all surfaces to ensure absolute correction , this does 2 things no horror is going to show its ugly head in the future and we have gave the wax / sealent or nano quartz product the best chance to bond to the paint's surface .
Hope that makes sense and helps
kelly
Hang on a second. John had a query and Kelly said if he dropped by he'd have a chat about it. However, on that occasion Kelly was unfortunately too busy to spare the time. These things happen. I can see both points of view. I can also, however, vouch for everything Kelly's said, and agree with everything Dom has said too. Kelly would talk and talk all day if he could and he is a consummate detailing professional. I know damn well that he's not happy that he has to turn people away sometimes these days, but I've been there over the course of a full day and seen for myself - his profile has risen to such an extent that it could be a fulltime job just to sit in a chair out the front of his unit and deal with enquiries, like a detailing Yoda. Thing is, because there's so much more to what if does that you'd expect, it takes a while to explain things properly, so every quick chat becomes 30 to 60 minutes, lest he be suspected of selling new clothes to the Emporer. So then he'd do no detailing. It's bad enough as it is that he's still there now, working, and that this is actually a pretty normal occurance. John, I completely see your point, 100%. I just think Kelly's tired and up to his eyes with work, and you've just caught him at a bad time. These things happen, especially when people are under load.
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