Dear oh dear.......
Discussion
Well, back from a wonderful time at the Festival with the C-type, and still wondering how the car - which after all is but a replica - has come to be invited to both the big events. However, on opening the letter box things changed a bit.
As a member of the Jaguar Amicale de la France, a small club limited to 80 people so we can all know each other, we did our annual rally this time in the Alps, in May/June. One hotel was so shocking that for the first time I felt moved to go onto a travel site and leave my opinion which of course wasn't at all favourable. Supposedly four star, the food I am sure was reheated, the wine was served in jugs, from a box no doubt, and I needed a penknife to get the plug out of the bath and the basin. in other words, run down and needing a complete refit.
You wouldn't believe the brouhaha that caused, with the tour organiser, one senior club member, outraged that I had done so, and the upshot is that in my mail was a letter from the president saying that they had held a committee meeting and that I am forthwith out of the club. They don't mess about, these french, when their honour is impugned! Ah well, never mind. We had already discussed the issue, the "uvver 'arf" and I, and had decided this was our last tour with them because the club had become so cliquey. So I am now a member, with Groucho Marx, of my own personal club of one. Don't ask if you can join, because a refusal often offends.
As a member of the Jaguar Amicale de la France, a small club limited to 80 people so we can all know each other, we did our annual rally this time in the Alps, in May/June. One hotel was so shocking that for the first time I felt moved to go onto a travel site and leave my opinion which of course wasn't at all favourable. Supposedly four star, the food I am sure was reheated, the wine was served in jugs, from a box no doubt, and I needed a penknife to get the plug out of the bath and the basin. in other words, run down and needing a complete refit.
You wouldn't believe the brouhaha that caused, with the tour organiser, one senior club member, outraged that I had done so, and the upshot is that in my mail was a letter from the president saying that they had held a committee meeting and that I am forthwith out of the club. They don't mess about, these french, when their honour is impugned! Ah well, never mind. We had already discussed the issue, the "uvver 'arf" and I, and had decided this was our last tour with them because the club had become so cliquey. So I am now a member, with Groucho Marx, of my own personal club of one. Don't ask if you can join, because a refusal often offends.
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Lowdrag - shouldn't you be posting in the Kit Car forum?
I have nothing against kit cars and replicas (I used to own one myself) but this forum is called "Classic Cars and Yesterday's Heroes" - your car is certainly not "Classic", has as much validity as a fake Rolex and has no place at prestigious events such as Goodwood.
My opinion .....
I have nothing against kit cars and replicas (I used to own one myself) but this forum is called "Classic Cars and Yesterday's Heroes" - your car is certainly not "Classic", has as much validity as a fake Rolex and has no place at prestigious events such as Goodwood.
My opinion .....
Apols if I came across a bit harsh 
Its just that I have strong feelings about real cars vs replicas. Were those "happy" people at Goodwood aware that the car was a fake? Perhaps they would have felt differently if they knew it was built from parts with no historical provenance whatsoever?
(I did take the trouble to google for lowdrag's car when I returned home after the festival and felt cheated when I found the truth).
I can see a case for cars built using original components (parts of bodies, chassis, surviving mechanical parts etc) but, as far as I understand, this just doesn't apply to this replica. Perhaps I am mistaken?
Its just that I have strong feelings about real cars vs replicas. Were those "happy" people at Goodwood aware that the car was a fake? Perhaps they would have felt differently if they knew it was built from parts with no historical provenance whatsoever?
(I did take the trouble to google for lowdrag's car when I returned home after the festival and felt cheated when I found the truth).I can see a case for cars built using original components (parts of bodies, chassis, surviving mechanical parts etc) but, as far as I understand, this just doesn't apply to this replica. Perhaps I am mistaken?
Edited by stevejackson on Sunday 10th July 18:02
I'm of the view that 'provenance' (a snobby antique-auction house type word I hate anyway) is in the design, not the bits of car themselves which rust, break, fail and then get replaced. IMO, if the design is authentic, so is the car. Where do you draw the line? If you insisted on 'provenance' there would be hardly any flying Spitfires (for example) anywhere in the world - most of them are cobbled together from bits and pieces and are substantially new aircraft. Or take Tornado - completely new, but in every respect an A1 locomotive.
stevejackson said:
Apols if I came across a bit harsh
Its just that I have strong feelings about real cars vs replicas. Were those "happy" people at Goodwood aware that the car was a fake? Perhaps they would have felt differently if they knew it was built from parts with no historical provenance whatsoever? (I did take the trouble to google for lowdrag's car when I returned home after the festival and felt cheated when I found the truth).
I can see a case for cars built using original components (parts of bodies, chassis, surviving mechanical parts etc) but, as far as I understand, this just doesn't apply to this replica. Perhaps I am mistaken?
Yes it did seem a bit harsh Steve ....Its just that I have strong feelings about real cars vs replicas. Were those "happy" people at Goodwood aware that the car was a fake? Perhaps they would have felt differently if they knew it was built from parts with no historical provenance whatsoever?
(I did take the trouble to google for lowdrag's car when I returned home after the festival and felt cheated when I found the truth).I can see a case for cars built using original components (parts of bodies, chassis, surviving mechanical parts etc) but, as far as I understand, this just doesn't apply to this replica. Perhaps I am mistaken?
Edited by stevejackson on Sunday 10th July 18:02
Yertis said:
I'm of the view that 'provenance' (a snobby antique-auction house type word I hate anyway) is in the design, not the bits of car themselves which rust, break, fail and then get replaced. IMO, if the design is authentic, so is the car. Where do you draw the line? If you insisted on 'provenance' there would be hardly any flying Spitfires (for example) anywhere in the world - most of them are cobbled together from bits and pieces and are substantially new aircraft. Or take Tornado - completely new, but in every respect an A1 locomotive.
Agreed (and I think only about 10% of HMS Victory is authentic?). Steve, I think you are missing the point. If someone faithfully recreates a car they should be applauded as, in this case, it is going to be the only chance we are going to get of seeing one in the flesh. We also have another treat to look forward to; the XJ13 recreation. Can't wait!Tony, remember what Groucho Marx said "I wouldn't belong to any club that would have me as a member".
stevejackson said:
Apols if I came across a bit harsh
Its just that I have strong feelings about real cars vs replicas. Were those "happy" people at Goodwood aware that the car was a fake? Perhaps they would have felt differently if they knew it was built from parts with no historical provenance whatsoever? (I did take the trouble to google for lowdrag's car when I returned home after the festival and felt cheated when I found the truth).
I can see a case for cars built using original components (parts of bodies, chassis, surviving mechanical parts etc) but, as far as I understand, this just doesn't apply to this replica. Perhaps I am mistaken?
Lowdrag has certainly never claimed that the car is anything more than an accurate replica.Its just that I have strong feelings about real cars vs replicas. Were those "happy" people at Goodwood aware that the car was a fake? Perhaps they would have felt differently if they knew it was built from parts with no historical provenance whatsoever?
(I did take the trouble to google for lowdrag's car when I returned home after the festival and felt cheated when I found the truth).I can see a case for cars built using original components (parts of bodies, chassis, surviving mechanical parts etc) but, as far as I understand, this just doesn't apply to this replica. Perhaps I am mistaken?
Edited by stevejackson on Sunday 10th July 18:02
As the original works cars no longer exist it gives the only opportunity to see an accurate representation of an interesting chapter of Jaguar racing history.
I don't see anything wrong with that.
Neither do the Goodwood organisers apparently.
Spitfire2 said:
Riley Blue said:
stevejackson said:
Apols if I came across a bit harsh
Not a bit harsh, extremely rude. +1.
What a way to barge on to a forum .
(I edited/removed my original reaction) - don't want to stoop to his level.
Edited by XJ13 on Sunday 10th July 18:57
Y282 said:
goood work on the warlock of firetop mountain, tho.
No - can't be that Steve Jackson. Could be this one (it says his purpose in life is to "Inform, Inspire and Educate others")?http://stevenjacksonblog.com/?tag=primetime-race-c...
Sorry Steve - couldn't resist ........
Spitfire2 said:
Riley Blue said:
stevejackson said:
Apols if I came across a bit harsh
Not a bit harsh, extremely rude. What a way to barge on to a forum .
In any case Ive followed Lowdrags C type build, and i'm very impresserd with the amount of research that went into her build ,if Mr Jackson you can be bothered to follow the posts it makes a very interesting read and its given a lot of people real pleasure who have seen the car at the festival / shows , these cars are meant to be enjoyed for all ,with the spirit of a Jaguar enthusiast/ nut into the bargain. who cares if its not an original at least shes not a closet show queen and gets regulary driven as intended on a race circuit where she belongs , long may this continue ....fill yer boots Tony
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