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cc8s

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Friday 11th November 2011
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I was referred here from the Jaguar part of the forum.

I am trying to find some information about some classic Jaguars and thought this would be a good place to start!

Firstly I am interested in knowing a bit more about this Tojeiro D-Type. It appears to be from the Moray Motor Museum but I can't find any information on their website. I have also noticed that the plate is very similar to another Tojeiro with interesting history - 7 GNO. Does anyone know it's history etc?


I also wondered if anyone knew about a D-Type with the plate EHG 23 or something similar?

Many thanks.

LotusOmega375D

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177 months

Friday 11th November 2011
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Here's some google. Owner Tom McWhirter. Still campaigned. Here's a link to a photo from last year.

http://www.motorsport-imagery.com/p995073528/h384F...

Also found an old story from 1993 that it may have been due to race an RAF Jaguar fighter-bomber!

"19 Oct 1993


RACING car collector Tom McWhirter hopes to get into the record books by out-running an RAF fighter. He is pitting his 1957 Jaguar against a Jaguar jet over a quarter-mile sprint.

The RAF has accepted his challenge and the contest will be staged along the runway at RAF Lossiemouth on the Moray Firth. ''It is difficult to forecast the outcome,'' said Squadron Leader Paul Wilcox. ''But I suspect it could be a very close run thing.''

Mr McWhirter, 48, is a businessman in Elgin, who also has a collection of cars at his Moray Motor Museum.

One of his prize exhibits is the 1957 two-seater Tojeiro Jaguar. It is capable of speeds up to 180mph.
The Jaguar jet trainer is also a two-seater. The fighter is 50ft long and can reach speeds of up to 1000mph."

Edit: story added



Edited by LotusOmega375D on Friday 11th November 10:41

cc8s

Original Poster:

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Friday 11th November 2011
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Good work! Thank you smile

According to this article there were only 4 Tojeiro Jaguars made.

The first had the plate 7 GNO (which would explain the plate similarities):


The second one apparently had wire wheels like this but was written off in a race:


The third also carried the plate 7 GNO:


The final car appears to be on the plate ISF 301 and was spectacularly written off:


(Pictures and info from Here )

So, from this information, we can assume 76 NO is the second car (wire wheels) but is it a replica or a restoration?

ETA: After a check it turns out the 76 NO is almost certainly a rebuild of the original 1957 second car completed in 1990. Can anyone confirm this?

Edited by cc8s on Friday 11th November 11:47

a8hex

5,832 posts

247 months

Friday 11th November 2011
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Well the first and third can not still be wearing the same number so this could be one of those.
The number 76 NO is registered with the DVLA as a Jaguar where as 7 GNO is registered with them as a Tojeiro.

76 NO : Year of Manufacture 1957 : Date of First Registration 01 12 1990
7 GNO : Year of Manufacture 1956 : Date of First Registration 19 04 1956

I saw an original in for some work when I dropped my 150 off for its engine swap a couple of years back but I can't remember the reg on it, sorry. Lovely cars BTW.

lowdrag

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237 months

Saturday 12th November 2011
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It was almost certainly 7 GNO you saw at CKL Ken. Here are some picture of it at the Revival in 2006




IIRC, the owner - at the time but I don't know now - lived I believe not far away.

a8hex

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Saturday 12th November 2011
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lowdrag said:
It was almost certainly 7 GNO you saw at CKL Ken.
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IIRC, the owner - at the time but I don't know now - lived I believe not far away.
Distance doesn't seem to make much difference for some of their customers.
The one I met that day and travelled back into London with had flown over from the States to see how one of his cars was getting on.

lowdrag

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Saturday 12th November 2011
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Ah, Gary from Indiana. Beat me by a long chalk for the long distance award when I went to the opening in the E-type! I mean, he owned not one but two XKSS's, his latest acquisition the GT40 was on display, and that ain't all I can assure you.

Edit: Have a look at the opening day photos in a day or so when I put them up. You'll not blink an eye but the others will think they are on drugs.

cc8s

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Saturday 12th November 2011
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So we think that 76 NO is a replica? That will be a bit disappointing!

Any info on EGH 23, the D-Type?

lowdrag

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Sunday 13th November 2011
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That number rings no bells with me and doesn't appear on the DVLA records, sothe question is - have you got the number right? In your first post you say EGH and later EHG for example.

cc8s

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Sunday 13th November 2011
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lowdrag said:
That number rings no bells with me and doesn't appear on the DVLA records, sothe question is - have you got the number right? In your first post you say EGH and later EHG for example.
Drat... I know it is/will be the plate and supposedly was the original plate and I wondered if it had any known history. I should have asked what the chassis number was.

a8hex

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Monday 14th November 2011
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The view that day was mesmeric, they could both have been there and I might not have noticed :-)

cc8s

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Tuesday 15th November 2011
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Another quiz! Is this a real Lister? I believe it has been raced by Danny McWhirter but I can't find any info on history or chassis. Seen at Alford Motor Museum.

a8hex

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Wednesday 16th November 2011
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Sorry I don't think that is a Lister, at least not a Knobbly.
If you look at Lowdrag's pictures above car 31 is a Knobbly Lister.

lowdrag

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Wednesday 16th November 2011
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Dredging the grey matter here, so don't flame me if it ain't so, but isn't that the E1 Lister? I seem to recall that it was one of the early MG engined Listers.

lowdrag

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Thursday 17th November 2011
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Silly me! Goodwod Revival 2007:-



And three Lister's at Madgwick:-


a8hex

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Thursday 17th November 2011
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Bozwell said:
Costin bodied Lister. still Jaguar powered.
Its amazing how low the bonnet line seems next to that guys legs. Cheers for the correction.

cc8s

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Sunday 20th November 2011
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Many thanks for everybodys input!

I have found a very interesting site which claims that the third Tojeiro Jaguar was a 1958 and was restored in 1989 after which it was 'sold to Europe'. This ties in with the 1990 registration in the UK which probably makes it real!

And, just for clarification, we think the Lister is a Costin-bodied Jaguar Lister?


lowdrag

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Sunday 20th November 2011
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Most certainly and surely. Youy only have to Google Costin Lister to find out.

cc8s

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Sunday 20th November 2011
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lowdrag said:
Most certainly and surely. Youy only have to Google Costin Lister to find out.
Just done that and what a fascinating read! Turns out only 11 Costin-bodied Lister-Jaguars were made, of which two have Jaguar engines.

verbarthe

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Sunday 20th November 2011
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Slightly off topic perhaps,so apologies in advance for that .

Am no Jaguar expert but I ve visited the Moray Motor Museum, my eldest grandson and myself were lucky enough to to be given the guided tour by Tom Mcwhirter himself ,a very nice and extremely knowledgeable man who was very quick to point out to us that all his cars are used to there Full potential on the track whenever possible.He did have a few Jaguars he raced on display when we visited ,there was a lighweight E Type there but D Type mentioned was nt on display , but could easily have been in the basement garage being worked on . The Moray Motor Museum , although quite small is well worth a visit if you re in the area .

Edited by verbarthe on Sunday 20th November 21:32