Petition to a rolling 30 year-old exemption to VED, for

[feef]

Apogologs if this has been posted already..

This e-petition is to...
"Re-introduce a 30 year rolling vehicle excise duty exemption scheme, for classic vehicles. For too long now the tax exemption of classic cars has been frozen, to only apply to those manufactured before 1973. History did not simply stop in 1972. These are not cars which are driven everyday but rather on sunny weekends, to attend enthusiast shows etc.. It is vitally important that we help to preserve this important part of British motoring history."

https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petit...

[//j17]

It has. Many times.

Best thought-through response I've seen is to ignore it because:
a) The best the government will do is ignore it too.
b) The government might just pay attention and that can only make things worse, with limits on where/when/how ofter we can drive our 'dirty old polluting car (they don't generate any bungs from the motor trade)'.

[Yertis]

Can a mod lock this thread?

[Yertis]

Actually are there any mods in this area? I like to think we're all good natured chaps drinking real ale... like a nice old pub while the rest of PH is like Wetherspoons.

[Roy C]

//j17 said:

It has. Many times.

Best thought-through response I've seen is to ignore it because:
a) The best the government will do is ignore it too.
b) The government might just pay attention and that can only make things worse, with limits on where/when/how ofter we can drive our 'dirty old polluting car (they don't generate any bungs from the motor trade)'.

c) ...and might see the scrapping of the pre-73 concession as a convenient method of increasing tax without too much pain to the general public.

Yertis said:

Can a mod lock this thread?

Yertis said:

Actually are there any mods in this area? I like to think we're all good natured chaps drinking real ale... like a nice old pub while the rest of PH is like Wetherspoons.

+1 for a "lock-in".

[Balmoral Green]

Do you not read/watch the news OP?

[LordBretSinclair]

Let sleeping dogs lie

[LRdriver II]

we got a rolling 35 year threshold here in Denmark... '77/78 vintage porsche 911 Turbos etc are now being considered as classics and as such drop a huuuuge amount in tax.. and insurance, and registration tax

yeehaa

[smiffy220]

I signed it a while back. I'm for it, but I know it won't happen. I would think it fairer to have say a flat annual charge of maybe £30 or £50 for all classic users. I'm all for that. It won't break the bank and the government won't lose out too much on revenue from the current cut off of 1973 through to a rolling 30 year tax discount.

[SESH]

Yertis said:

Can a mod lock this thread?

Why, what has happened to freedom of speach?

[NHK244V]

feef said:

Apogologs if this has been posted already..

This e-petition is to...
"Re-introduce a 30 year rolling vehicle excise duty exemption scheme, for classic vehicles. For too long now the tax exemption of classic cars has been frozen, to only apply to those manufactured before 1973. History did not simply stop in 1972. These are not cars which are driven everyday but rather on sunny weekends, to attend enthusiast shows etc.. It is vitally important that we help to preserve this important part of British motoring history."

https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petit...

yes it has every fooking month without fail somone re-posts this st without knowing it like the 20th dam e petition and the other 19 did fook all the same as this one will

Aaaannnnnnnnnnddddddddddddddddd breath

[na]

Yertis said:

I like to think we're all good natured chaps drinking real ale...

this afternoon I took my wife out in the MG to a village pub and drank the the wares of the longest established county micro-brewery

we often drive each other to drink

both on real ale of course

my last car missed the RFL exemption by 1 day, made on 8th Jan 1973 - this MG missed out by 4 months, I've only ever had one car that was exempt

[varsas]

LRdriver II said:

we got a rolling 35 year threshold here in Denmark... '77/78 vintage porsche 911 Turbos etc are now being considered as classics and as such drop a huuuuge amount in tax.. and insurance, and registration tax

yeehaa

It's not like that over here, a car being 'historic' (pre '73, tax exempt) or not doesn't affect insurance, I don't know what 'registration tax' is (so I guess we don't have it) and the tax you pay on pre-2001 cars is not that much anyway.

I am surprised other countries do have rolling exemptions though, I believe Belgium do? Someone like that.

na said:

my last car missed the RFL exemption by 1 day, made on 8th Jan 1973 - this MG missed out by 4 months, I've only ever had one car that was exempt

You weren't as close as you think. The exemption is for cars made before 1st January 1973. They do, however, assume that if your car is registered before a certain date in 1973 (early January, I thought it was the 4th, but might be the 7th) that it was made in '72 and automatically grant you exemption without you having to prove when the car was made. After that date you just need to tell them the car was made in '72 and they'll get it's taxation class changed.

If you mean your car was registered 8th January 1973 it was almost certainly eligible to be tax free (One of my Landies was registered April 1973 but I managed to get that registered as 'historic'), you just needed to have it re-registered.

Edited by varsas on Wednesday 30th November 20:07

[na]

cheers but it was registered in about April 1973 I think but built on (possibly?) 8th of January 1973

the local tax office was very good but said it was seven days grace and that was stretching it and at discresction, the supervisor couldn't help but laugh at my bad luck

it was par for the course of ownership for that hateful car

[Yertis]

SESH said:

Why, what has happened to freedom of speach?

Or merge the threads. I'm not opposed to the discussion itself, but we've been around the houses on this many times before.

[varsas]

na said:

cheers but it was registered in about April 1973 I think but built on (possibly?) 8th of January 1973

the local tax office was very good but said it was seven days grace and that was stretching it and at discresction, the supervisor couldn't help but laugh at my bad luck

it was par for the course of ownership for that hateful car

Oh, didn't know there was a grace period, learnt something new.

[restoman]

This is the important bit:

'These are not cars which are driven everyday but rather on sunny weekends, to attend enthusiast shows etc..'

I'd much rather pay road tax and be able to us my car as and when i want thank you.

[MJK 24]

restoman said:

This is the important bit:

'These are not cars which are driven everyday but rather on sunny weekends, to attend enthusiast shows etc..'

I'd much rather pay road tax and be able to us my car as and when i want thank you.

Exactly. My car is 26 years old so in theory would have been included under the rolling 25 year exemption. However, things change and I'm just happy that in 2011, I can drive my old car every day of the week for as many miles as I like on any road that I like with zero hassle from the powers that be.

Personally, I think this freedom is worth £200 per year and I wouldn't want the authorities looking into this and causing all sorts of problems in the future.

[woodytype S]

As I have said before on PH, keep your heads down and enjoy driving your old cars while you are allowed to.
Its never going to happend!

[na]

varsas said:

na said:

cheers but it was registered in about April 1973 I think but built on (possibly?) 8th of January 1973

the local tax office was very good but said it was seven days grace and that was stretching it and at dissection, the supervisor couldn't help but laugh at my bad luck

it was par for the course of ownership for that hateful car

Oh, didn't know there was a grace period, learnt something new.

yes but it's discretional so if too many demand what is discretional then it tends to disappear