£80k for a DS19 Le Dandy with tyres like this??
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http://www.hexagonclassics.com/car_sales/Citroen-D...
Why do car dealers do this? Nearly £80k for a car with tyres in this condition...??
Why do car dealers do this? Nearly £80k for a car with tyres in this condition...??
I dare say they might swap that for the spare, if you paid the full asking price!
On a general note though, isn't it amazing the number of "drive-the-ads" reports you read in the classic press, where the reporter mentions various relatively minor faults with cars that will apparently "be rectified by the vendor prior to sale". Why don't they just sort any such issues out prior to advertising a car for sale?
On a general note though, isn't it amazing the number of "drive-the-ads" reports you read in the classic press, where the reporter mentions various relatively minor faults with cars that will apparently "be rectified by the vendor prior to sale". Why don't they just sort any such issues out prior to advertising a car for sale?
Dangerous, totally illegal and worth at least 3 points to anyone caught driving it on the road. Lovely looking car but I'd have serious concerns about anyone trying to sell a car at any price with a defect like that. No doubt from the sellers perspective, this defect must have just occurred and they would of course replace that with a legal tyre before negotiations started. Or so you'd hope.
Ahh, the curse of the Michelin XAS.
In DS/ID circles the argument goes one of two ways:
1) The Michelin XAS is very expensive, the cost of 4 185/15 is around £1000. This car has XAS on already. I know they're borked but it will give the buyer peace of mind that the car is completely boggo standard.
2) These Michelin XAS tyres are 30 years old, completely f
ked and aint half pricey, I think I'll chuck on some Falken 195/65/15 and that should be ok. I know it should have the Michelins on but I think a buyer will at least want a modern, safe and roadworthy tyre on their motor, John.
What, in my opinion, is inexcusable is not making reference to it at all, a la Hexagon. If I was marketing this car I would certainly write something along the lines of, "currently running OEM Michelin XAS tyres but they're clusterfked. We'll bang on a new set for the new buyer but for the time being we want you to know that this car has always been run on the specified tyre... etc."
Hexagon should know better.
In DS/ID circles the argument goes one of two ways:
1) The Michelin XAS is very expensive, the cost of 4 185/15 is around £1000. This car has XAS on already. I know they're borked but it will give the buyer peace of mind that the car is completely boggo standard.
2) These Michelin XAS tyres are 30 years old, completely f
ked and aint half pricey, I think I'll chuck on some Falken 195/65/15 and that should be ok. I know it should have the Michelins on but I think a buyer will at least want a modern, safe and roadworthy tyre on their motor, John.What, in my opinion, is inexcusable is not making reference to it at all, a la Hexagon. If I was marketing this car I would certainly write something along the lines of, "currently running OEM Michelin XAS tyres but they're clusterf
ked. We'll bang on a new set for the new buyer but for the time being we want you to know that this car has always been run on the specified tyre... etc."Hexagon should know better.
Most older cars offered for sale usually have the tyres bulled up with liquid bullst!
When we bought the GF's supra, I looked at the date code on the tyres and they were 12 years old! soon replaced those......
Or my AJS 500 I bought last year and the tyres on that were 22n years old...
t!When we bought the GF's supra, I looked at the date code on the tyres and they were 12 years old! soon replaced those......
Or my AJS 500 I bought last year and the tyres on that were 22n years old...
Unless it was something which just gets polished and trailered to shows, I wouldn't run anything on tyres more than about 10 years old. At the risk of stating the obvious, even if their tread and sidewalls are legal, tyres do degrade over time and the lack of grip could have obvious consequences.
Isn't the argument from traders that margins on stock are so thin and cashflow can be unreliable so they don't want to have more capital tied up in stock than is absolutely necessary. Therefore don't spend hundreds or thousands on a car that might be in the showroom for months. I'm not saying it is right and I certainly find it offputting but I can understand the cold, hard business reasoning behind it.
fourwheelsteer said:
Isn't the argument from traders that margins on stock are so thin and cashflow can be unreliable so they don't want to have more capital tied up in stock than is absolutely necessary. Therefore don't spend hundreds or thousands on a car that might be in the showroom for months. I'm not saying it is right and I certainly find it offputting but I can understand the cold, hard business reasoning behind it.
This is where I get a bit annoyed (at dealers, not you 
)YES, margins are thin across the board. If you don't like it then f
k OFF. This is a buyer's market - and I expect the best, especially when looking for an 80 grand Citroen for fk's sake. The fact that you're up against it doesn't mean anything at all to me. If you, Mr. Dealer, go bust it doesn't mean that the availability of classic cars will go down, it just means the better dealers are left. By all means leave the car as is, that's why it will be in your shop for 6 months, then reduced in price to £69k, then you'll accept an offer in another 6 months for £60k just to shift it on. Classic car people expect the best from the cars and the service from dealers. Just because a dealer can't justify spending on one of his assets in order to improve its saleability doesn't make it acceptable. In fact this Hexagon example is showing a complete lack of respect for a potential buyer as only someone with a withered, pox-addled brain would buy that car with those shoes on.Pothole said:
a mate of mine is running an early 60s Triumph 500 with the original front tyre....
Does he have a death wish?Ben, thought this post would grab your attention. Hope all's well...how's the Stuttgart Snotter going?
Back on topic there's been much tyre discusson recently within MG threads with some scary reports. General agreement being tyres have a safe life expectancy of five years; after which they should be replaced. What also come out of the discussions is how much people spend on their 'old girls' and all too often completely ignore tyres..."they'll be fine, no cracks, good tread, round in shape...they'll be good for a few more years yet..." Anyone recently tried a live emergency brake on wet roads with hard as nails rubber? Makes for interesting adrenaline rush/change of underpants moment...
To take the Devils advocate stance for a moment, it could be as I mentioned above that the defect had either recently occurred or hadn't been noticed by the dealer when they bought it. If I were looking at that car, the dealers response when I pointed the defect out would help me to decide whether to continue looking, i.e. I'd expect a response along the lines of, 'Thanks for pointing that out, we weren't aware, it will be replaced straight away, can I contact you when it's been done to progress the sale?'. A response along the lines of 'yeah, no worries, we'll possibly change that when we get a buyer' would likely make me walk away. I'd start by giving them the benefit of the doubt. But only up to a point.
v8250 said:
Pothole said:
a mate of mine is running an early 60s Triumph 500 with the original front tyre....
Does he have a death wish?Ben, thought this post would grab your attention. Hope all's well...how's the Stuttgart Snotter going?
Back on topic there's been much tyre discusson recently within MG threads with some scary reports. General agreement being tyres have a safe life expectancy of five years; after which they should be replaced. What also come out of the discussions is how much people spend on their 'old girls' and all too often completely ignore tyres..."they'll be fine, no cracks, good tread, round in shape...they'll be good for a few more years yet..." Anyone recently tried a live emergency brake on wet roads with hard as nails rubber? Makes for interesting adrenaline rush/change of underpants moment...
Are you fancying the November Sun Run still? Last few places available I see...
2slo said:
benjj said:
Those tyres have clearly been 'dressed' so should have been picked up prontissimo.
I'm inclined to agree, my first thought would be they are taking the piss, I'd just start off reasonable and walk if I didn't get the right response.benjj said:
fourwheelsteer said:
Isn't the argument from traders that margins on stock are so thin and cashflow can be unreliable so they don't want to have more capital tied up in stock than is absolutely necessary. Therefore don't spend hundreds or thousands on a car that might be in the showroom for months. I'm not saying it is right and I certainly find it offputting but I can understand the cold, hard business reasoning behind it.
This is where I get a bit annoyed (at dealers, not you )YES, margins are thin across the board. If you don't like it then f
k OFF. This is a buyer's market - and I expect the best, especially when looking for an 80 grand Citroen for fk's sake. The fact that you're up against it doesn't mean anything at all to me. If you, Mr. Dealer, go bust it doesn't mean that the availability of classic cars will go down, it just means the better dealers are left. By all means leave the car as is, that's why it will be in your shop for 6 months, then reduced in price to £69k, then you'll accept an offer in another 6 months for £60k just to shift it on. Classic car people expect the best from the cars and the service from dealers. Just because a dealer can't justify spending on one of his assets in order to improve its saleability doesn't make it acceptable. In fact this Hexagon example is showing a complete lack of respect for a potential buyer as only someone with a withered, pox-addled brain would buy that car with those shoes on.benjj said:
2slo said:
benjj said:
Those tyres have clearly been 'dressed' so should have been picked up prontissimo.
I'm inclined to agree, my first thought would be they are taking the piss, I'd just start off reasonable and walk if I didn't get the right response.
can now see where profits are going...wasted on dressing up michelin tyres... 
It's very much a sellers market as witnessed by very high prices at auction. If You have an immaculate example of a desirable classic car - Escort Twin Cam, 246GT Dino, 2.4 911S, whatever, you can pretty much ask what you like. Someone will pay it.
Tight margins? You're having a laugh. Most dealers are selling on SOR and doing nice business. None of them are poor - paticularly Paul Michaels!
Tight margins? You're having a laugh. Most dealers are selling on SOR and doing nice business. None of them are poor - paticularly Paul Michaels!
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