1968 Maserati Ghibli - Silverstone Auction
Discussion
Having followed the epic thread on here by the guy restoring his Ghibli himself, I was intrigued to see what this would go for when I saw it mentioned in Classic & Sports Car (I think).
Well here's the result, I've no idea whether this is excessive (though clearly well over the estimated).
I didn't really know of the Ghibli (in my defence it pre-dates me!) but I suspect like many I've fallen in love with it since reading the thread regarding it.
http://www.silverstoneauctions.com/1968-barn-find-...
Well here's the result, I've no idea whether this is excessive (though clearly well over the estimated).
I didn't really know of the Ghibli (in my defence it pre-dates me!) but I suspect like many I've fallen in love with it since reading the thread regarding it.
http://www.silverstoneauctions.com/1968-barn-find-...
I bidded for the car, it started from moment one well above the estimate and it ended really quickly at 27500 + commissions and vat.
Lovely looking car, needed some resto works the real depth of which you can really assess once you start stripping and removing.
All in, a good buy according to my understanding, given the prices they go for now.
E
Lovely looking car, needed some resto works the real depth of which you can really assess once you start stripping and removing.
All in, a good buy according to my understanding, given the prices they go for now.
E
Enricogto said:
I bidded for the car, it started from moment one well above the estimate and it ended really quickly at 27500 + commissions and vat.
Lovely looking car, needed some resto works the real depth of which you can really assess once you start stripping and removing.
All in, a good buy according to my understanding, given the prices they go for now.
E
Interesting, and thanks for the reply. Lovely looking car, needed some resto works the real depth of which you can really assess once you start stripping and removing.
All in, a good buy according to my understanding, given the prices they go for now.
E
Have you looked at many? (though I assume they rarely come up?)
Any thoughts on restoration cost? - though I appreciate your comment above re not being truly able to assess until layers are peeled back. Deep into five if not six figures?
acme said:
Interesting, and thanks for the reply.
Have you looked at many? (though I assume they rarely come up?)
Any thoughts on restoration cost? - though I appreciate your comment above re not being truly able to assess until layers are peeled back. Deep into five if not six figures?
This model is at the moment going under the spotlight after many years unnoticed, even though, and this always amazes me, back in the day they were the anti-Daytona, and we all know what that means in terms of values...Have you looked at many? (though I assume they rarely come up?)
Any thoughts on restoration cost? - though I appreciate your comment above re not being truly able to assess until layers are peeled back. Deep into five if not six figures?
I've started around two years ago to follow this model and I've seen/inspected around ten cars in Italy, Netherland and now that I've moved, the UK.
The range of prices (ask) goes from 30 to 140K or thereabout for 4.7s, +30K for 4.9s, and conditions of course varies accordingly.
The problem is that sometimes, and it happened for example in a car I've seen in the Netherland, sold as a nearly completed restoration (bits of trim and final fit and finish checks) not world class, but good quality anyway, the asking was 110, but the bits missing were the most difficult to source and easily leading to another 15K at least outlay, provided you could source the parts.
All this on a car already sorted on the bodywork and mechanical side, although painted in non original colour, this putting me off as I prefer an unpalatable but original colour to a "good" but non original one.
That said, in terms of restoration I find that the potentially ruinous part of the job is the bodywork. Mechanicals can be sorted relatively easy and specialists are available, but when you consider what Chad Speed is doing to his car (admirable but you need the time, the space and foremost the skills!) you can easily understand that at least 500 hrs spent on the body at, let's say 100£/hr rate, plus the cost of engine, electronics and not forget interior and trim, drive a restoration in easy 5 digit, almost 6, figures.
The car we are talking about was surely a lass definition of barn-find, more a long-sorn'd, potentially a good and complete car, but only when you start removing the carpets, checking the electronics and so on you can really assess the toll time has taken while off the road.
This is the first time that I regret not daring more on the auction, but again, it's a blindfolded bet that could burn you easily.
Enrico
Enricogto said:
This model is at the moment going under the spotlight after many years unnoticed, even though, and this always amazes me, back in the day they were the anti-Daytona, and we all know what that means in terms of values...
I've started around two years ago to follow this model and I've seen/inspected around ten cars in Italy, Netherland and now that I've moved, the UK.
The range of prices (ask) goes from 30 to 140K or thereabout for 4.7s, +30K for 4.9s, and conditions of course varies accordingly.
The problem is that sometimes, and it happened for example in a car I've seen in the Netherland, sold as a nearly completed restoration (bits of trim and final fit and finish checks) not world class, but good quality anyway, the asking was 110, but the bits missing were the most difficult to source and easily leading to another 15K at least outlay, provided you could source the parts.
All this on a car already sorted on the bodywork and mechanical side, although painted in non original colour, this putting me off as I prefer an unpalatable but original colour to a "good" but non original one.
That said, in terms of restoration I find that the potentially ruinous part of the job is the bodywork. Mechanicals can be sorted relatively easy and specialists are available, but when you consider what Chad Speed is doing to his car (admirable but you need the time, the space and foremost the skills!) you can easily understand that at least 500 hrs spent on the body at, let's say 100£/hr rate, plus the cost of engine, electronics and not forget interior and trim, drive a restoration in easy 5 digit, almost 6, figures.
The car we are talking about was surely a lass definition of barn-find, more a long-sorn'd, potentially a good and complete car, but only when you start removing the carpets, checking the electronics and so on you can really assess the toll time has taken while off the road.
This is the first time that I regret not daring more on the auction, but again, it's a blindfolded bet that could burn you easily.
Enrico
Two years/ten cars clearly shows your commitment to finding the 'right' one, some patience required there!I've started around two years ago to follow this model and I've seen/inspected around ten cars in Italy, Netherland and now that I've moved, the UK.
The range of prices (ask) goes from 30 to 140K or thereabout for 4.7s, +30K for 4.9s, and conditions of course varies accordingly.
The problem is that sometimes, and it happened for example in a car I've seen in the Netherland, sold as a nearly completed restoration (bits of trim and final fit and finish checks) not world class, but good quality anyway, the asking was 110, but the bits missing were the most difficult to source and easily leading to another 15K at least outlay, provided you could source the parts.
All this on a car already sorted on the bodywork and mechanical side, although painted in non original colour, this putting me off as I prefer an unpalatable but original colour to a "good" but non original one.
That said, in terms of restoration I find that the potentially ruinous part of the job is the bodywork. Mechanicals can be sorted relatively easy and specialists are available, but when you consider what Chad Speed is doing to his car (admirable but you need the time, the space and foremost the skills!) you can easily understand that at least 500 hrs spent on the body at, let's say 100£/hr rate, plus the cost of engine, electronics and not forget interior and trim, drive a restoration in easy 5 digit, almost 6, figures.
The car we are talking about was surely a lass definition of barn-find, more a long-sorn'd, potentially a good and complete car, but only when you start removing the carpets, checking the electronics and so on you can really assess the toll time has taken while off the road.
This is the first time that I regret not daring more on the auction, but again, it's a blindfolded bet that could burn you easily.
Enrico
I'd agree regarding original colours, I've personally never really understood why people re-paint cars a different colour - then again in many ways I prefer patina to perfect bodywork etc - an old car should for example smell old in my eyes.
Clearly the implication of what you're saying is that it really is an open cheque book scenario with one of these, and that each needs to be judged on its individual merits. Again, as you mention re its storage story; if it's been SORN'd in a dry (& possibly with air flow) environment and rodents etc have been kept away then fine, but kept in your average farmers barn, I'd have to assume the worst - damp, machinery around it, rodents galore etc.
Shame you didn't manage to get this one, but I wish you the best in the search, a real journey of highs & lows in my experience!
And if you do get one please be sure to post pics, a stunning car!
Barn find ..... what a joke ! Is every advertiser jumping on this band wagon ?
As someone who regularly rode in a Ghibli from 1973 - 75 i have Many Ghibli memories. One day my Late dad was followed for miles by 2 guys on the M1, ( as a leading gun and antique dealer of his day, he was a target ) so he pulled off of the Motorway and stopped in a lay by. He allways carried artillery with him useually a .38 Smith and Wesson and had it in his hand. The 2 guys in the car behind got out and walked towards the Ghibli, my dad got out...... but fortuneately it turned out that they were Maserati owners themselves And had never seen a Ghibli !!
Re this Auction Ghibli, it was still in its original exterior and interior color scheme, but great shame it was an auto. The Ghibli was largely built to order, with the buyer chosing the colours and spec etc.
If you can do some of the work yourself then a Ghibli need not be horrifically expensive to restore as mechanically they are not too complicated ( , live rear axle on cart springs , etc etc, but few classic car buyers these days it seems can do any more than put fuel in a car !!
But.... And a Big But, they are bodily quite complex.
As someone who regularly rode in a Ghibli from 1973 - 75 i have Many Ghibli memories. One day my Late dad was followed for miles by 2 guys on the M1, ( as a leading gun and antique dealer of his day, he was a target ) so he pulled off of the Motorway and stopped in a lay by. He allways carried artillery with him useually a .38 Smith and Wesson and had it in his hand. The 2 guys in the car behind got out and walked towards the Ghibli, my dad got out...... but fortuneately it turned out that they were Maserati owners themselves And had never seen a Ghibli !!
Re this Auction Ghibli, it was still in its original exterior and interior color scheme, but great shame it was an auto. The Ghibli was largely built to order, with the buyer chosing the colours and spec etc.
If you can do some of the work yourself then a Ghibli need not be horrifically expensive to restore as mechanically they are not too complicated ( , live rear axle on cart springs , etc etc, but few classic car buyers these days it seems can do any more than put fuel in a car !!
But.... And a Big But, they are bodily quite complex.
Wise words.
But what I don't get is a similar Aston Martin would have another 0 on the end of this price. And really, which is cooler?
The Daytona is a great comparison and a stunning car, undervalued against a DB6 or DBS and yet the Ghibli is half the price of the Ferrari, whereas it cost about a grand more when new.
What a weird word we inhabit.
But what I don't get is a similar Aston Martin would have another 0 on the end of this price. And really, which is cooler?
The Daytona is a great comparison and a stunning car, undervalued against a DB6 or DBS and yet the Ghibli is half the price of the Ferrari, whereas it cost about a grand more when new.
What a weird word we inhabit.
Chrisw26 said:
But what I don't get is a similar Aston Martin would have another 0 on the end of this price.
You don't get? The Aston appeared in Bond films. The Ghibli's starring role was in La Piscine with Alain Delon. It's a very fine French drama and is no 007. But I know which I prefer.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19xM-D-X2TU
Behemoth said:
You don't get? The Aston appeared in Bond films. The Ghibli's starring role was in La Piscine with Alain Delon. It's a very fine French drama and is no 007. But I know which I prefer.
I get the Bond love for the DB5, but the lardy DB6 was never in a Bond film and the DBS was only a forgotten bit part in George Lazenby's one-off Bond OHMSS. You'd be better off saving a few hundred grand and buying an Esprit S1 or Turbo, rather than a DB6 if you want to play Bond... neutral 3 said:
If you can do some of the work yourself then a Ghibli need not be horrifically expensive to restore as mechanically they are not too complicated ( , live rear axle on cart springs , etc etc, but few classic car buyers these days it seems can do any more than put fuel in a car !!
But.... And a Big But, they are bodily quite complex.
Ric, while I agree that from a mechanical perspective they are easy, as I said in my previous post, you need space, time and skills. Something like Chad is doing, it's beyond the possibilities of most of the people here, for example, me at the moment, I'm laking at least time and space to carry out such job, while my skills are perfects But.... And a Big But, they are bodily quite complex.
!And as you correctly remarked, that car specifically, although good from a point of view of completeness and maybe bodywork, has a less desirable autobox, that carries a whole different and new variable into the equation. The 3 speed Borg Warner, although at the moment I don't remember wich other cars shares it, it's not easy to work on and if, heresy!
, you think of swapping for a 5 speed ZF manual, it's almost impossible because auto and manual cars have a slightly different frame....Enrico
Re the Ghibli and film, I am pretty sure i remember that in one episode of " The Adventurer " staring Gene Barry, he is driving one in the Sth of France. It was Metalic blue in color I believe.
Also, re Ghibli Verses Daytona, my Late dads one was bought in Nov 1975 by a pal of his. Said pal also had a blue Daytona and he had the pair side by side in his garage. He didn't like the Ghibli, calling it a piece of junk. Very unfare comment as the Ghibli had been sat for some time and needed some tlc.
He was however heavily biased toward Ferrari, having previously owned a 275 GTB ( which used to regularly oil it's plugs in London traffic !
And Aston DB6 ( Or DB5 ) Verses Ghibli ( or Mistral or Sebring or 3500 Vignale ) give me a Maserati Any day over the Astons.
Also, re Ghibli Verses Daytona, my Late dads one was bought in Nov 1975 by a pal of his. Said pal also had a blue Daytona and he had the pair side by side in his garage. He didn't like the Ghibli, calling it a piece of junk. Very unfare comment as the Ghibli had been sat for some time and needed some tlc.
He was however heavily biased toward Ferrari, having previously owned a 275 GTB ( which used to regularly oil it's plugs in London traffic !
And Aston DB6 ( Or DB5 ) Verses Ghibli ( or Mistral or Sebring or 3500 Vignale ) give me a Maserati Any day over the Astons.
LotusOmega375D said:
I get the Bond love for the DB5, but the lardy DB6 was never in a Bond film and the DBS was only a forgotten bit part in George Lazenby's one-off Bond OHMSS.
Little more than pedantry; the DB6 most certainly holds onto the tails of Bond glamour, thus adding the zero to the price.OHMSS is probably my favourite Bond film, which also possibly explains why I much prefer the Ghibli to the Aston. View both movies and cars on their intrinsic merits, not via received opinions.
Chrisw26 said:
Wise words.
But what I don't get is a similar Aston Martin would have another 0 on the end of this price. And really, which is cooler?
The Daytona is a great comparison and a stunning car, undervalued against a DB6 or DBS and yet the Ghibli is half the price of the Ferrari, whereas it cost about a grand more when new.
What a weird word we inhabit.
I agree. Ghibli far cooler.But what I don't get is a similar Aston Martin would have another 0 on the end of this price. And really, which is cooler?
The Daytona is a great comparison and a stunning car, undervalued against a DB6 or DBS and yet the Ghibli is half the price of the Ferrari, whereas it cost about a grand more when new.
What a weird word we inhabit.
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