E-Type Project: £32K+ ?

[dr_gn]

According to a newspaper cutting my mum saved for me, this:

http://www.artvalue.com/auctionresult--jaguar-vehi...

Went for £32k+ at Bonhams Hendon recently.

It said it had been garaged since 1977 and was sold to an overseas buyer.

Why? How? Who?

[andyps]

Certainly looks like it - £32487 inc premium - http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/21899/lot/303/

Maybe someone called Hugh wanted an E-Type with a personalised plate

[dr_gn]

"Last MoT'd in 1976/77, since when it has been off the road in dry storage.."

Well I'm so pleased to hear it's been in dry storage; that'll have stopped it from rusting.

[andyps]

dr_gn said:

"Last MoT'd in 1976/77, since when it has been off the road in dry storage.."

Well I'm so pleased to hear it's been in dry storage; that'll have stopped it from rusting.

As you can see from the photo..............

[dr_gn]

andyps said:

dr_gn said:

"Last MoT'd in 1976/77, since when it has been off the road in dry storage.."

Well I'm so pleased to hear it's been in dry storage; that'll have stopped it from rusting.

As you can see from the photo..............

Why £32k for that P.O.S.? They could have got a runner for half that.

[Wacky Racer]

Well it does have a Webasto sun roof..........lol!

[thegreenhell]

Because bubble?

Their other wreck, sorry, 'project', went for £29,900

http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/21899/lot/302/

[dr_gn]

Wacky Racer said:

Well it does have a Webasto sun roof..........lol!

So has mine!

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=20&...

If those heaps are worth £30k, then mine's worth £100+k all day long.

Unless of course there is some kind of huge premium for 3.8 coupes these days?

[neutral 3]

A fool and His money........

Hideous Webasto sunroof, new bonnet, front frames, doors, inner and outer sills, foot wells, boot floor, rear arches, 4x brake calipers, 6 x shocks, Engine strip and inspection........Awful Moss gearbox...................
And thats just for starters.

I owned 860800 in the mid 90s, and in the early 70s, a good friend had owned 860799. Had lots more Es since.

[Wacky Racer]

dr_gn said:

Wacky Racer said:

Well it does have a Webasto sun roof..........lol!

So has mine!

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=20&...

If those heaps are worth £30k, then mine's worth £100+k all day long.

Unless of course there is some kind of huge premium for 3.8 coupes these days?

Very nice.....

[vpr]

dr_gn said:

andyps said:

dr_gn said:

"Last MoT'd in 1976/77, since when it has been off the road in dry storage.."

Well I'm so pleased to hear it's been in dry storage; that'll have stopped it from rusting.

As you can see from the photo..............

Why £32k for that P.O.S.? They could have got a runner for half that.

Really? show me.

Show me.

Shortage of RHD 3.8 Etypes for restoration, they're hard to find.

It takes more that 1 interested buyer.

3.8 cars ARE commanding more that 4.2's.

[dr_gn]

vpr said:

dr_gn said:

andyps said:

dr_gn said:

"Last MoT'd in 1976/77, since when it has been off the road in dry storage.."

Well I'm so pleased to hear it's been in dry storage; that'll have stopped it from rusting.

As you can see from the photo..............

Why £32k for that P.O.S.? They could have got a runner for half that.

Really? show me.

Show me.

Shortage of RHD 3.8 Etypes for restoration, they're hard to find.

It takes more that 1 interested buyer.

3.8 cars ARE commanding more that 4.2's.

I meant an E-Type in general, not necessarily that exact model.

Anyway, in terms of money to be spent, show me the difference between the 32k one and this one at £14k. I bet realistically you could get this one for a 1/3 of the price of the one in the auction:

http://classiccars.brightwells.com/viewdetails.php...

I can't believe the vendors didn't describe it as "genuinely floorless".

[vpr]

dr_gn said:

I meant an E-Type in general, not necessarily that exact model.

Anyway, in terms of money to be spent, show me the difference between the 32k one and this one at £14k. I bet realistically you could get this one for a 1/3 of the price of the one in the auction:

http://classiccars.brightwells.com/viewdetails.php...

I can't believe the vendors didn't describe it as "genuinely floorless".

No difference in terms of restoration costs but we don't know what this will make

[dr_gn]

vpr said:

dr_gn said:

I meant an E-Type in general, not necessarily that exact model.

Anyway, in terms of money to be spent, show me the difference between the 32k one and this one at £14k. I bet realistically you could get this one for a 1/3 of the price of the one in the auction:

http://classiccars.brightwells.com/viewdetails.php...

I can't believe the vendors didn't describe it as "genuinely floorless".

No difference in terms of restoration costs but we don't know what this will make

I'm pretty sure that if you add the cost of restoration to the £32k (or to the £14k one for that matter) you'd be able to buy a restored example, or at least a decent driver.

Just thinking about the cost of my restoration, completed about £15 years ago...and it makes me realise that an E-Type would be totally out of reach for me now no matter how much work I put into it myself. It's easy to kid yourself you'll be able to use parts again form a basket case, but the reality is pretty much everything but main castings, hardened shafts and gears, casings, brackets and data plates will end up being new. It seems to be a totally pointless exercise, especially if you have to pay someone else to restore it for you.

[vpr]

Judging by todays prices you could buy your car for 32k and even if you gave it to someone to restore for 100k it'd still be safe money and you'd know it was perfect and not full of trouble

Would be interested to see what the estimated 14k car makes....when's the auction?

Incidentally.....I bought this for 14k 4yrs ago

Edited by vpr on Thursday 8th May 22:54

[dr_gn]

vpr said:

Judging by todays prices you could buy your car for 32k and even if you gave it to someone to restore for 100k it'd still be safe money and you'd know it was perfect and not full of trouble

Would be interested to see what the estimated 14k car makes....when's the auction?

Incidentally.....I bought this for 14k 4yrs ago

Edited by vpr on Thursday 8th May 22:54

The issues I have with a professional restoration are:

1) I've seen plenty of 'professional' restorations that are worse than mine.

2) If you spend £132k on a restoration, what happens when the crash comes? This is how I got mine: owner spent £10,500 on a professional body restoration with the intention of continuing to full rebuild. Classic car bubble burst and he was screwed. I picked the whole car up for nearly half what he'd paid in body work alone. And even then it didn't have a bonnet:





3) A lot of E-Type 'professionals' are, fundamentally, aholes.

I'm perfectly happy to have restored mine myself (total cost c.£25k-£30k including initial purchase, approx. 8 year restoration '94-'02), the only thing I didn't do was the paintwork. This was done by a 'professional' and guess what? It had to be repainted by someone else due to the appalling quality of the first job. My E-Type is not "full of trouble" it simply needs setting up correctly, which as I admitted here:

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=20&...

Was the point at which I temporarily gave up.

BTW, your E-Type looks very similar to mine - is it a 1964 built car?

[vpr]

There are a lot of terrible restorers out there of course but there are some good ones too, normally the ones that specialise in one make rather than pretend to be an expert on ALL classics.

Your car looks superb. Very similar to mine both Jaguar Dark Blue with Red Leather.

Not sure if my car was built 64. My chassis is 20303, Restored it over a 2-3 yr period. Great fun and now tinkering with my second

[dr_gn]

vpr said:

There are a lot of terrible restorers out there of course but there are some good ones too, normally the ones that specialise in one make rather than pretend to be an expert on ALL classics.

Your car looks superb. Very similar to mine both Jaguar Dark Blue with Red Leather.

Not sure if my car was built 64. My chassis is 20303, Restored it over a 2-3 yr period. Great fun and now tinkering with my second

Isn't that a 3.8 chassis number? Mine is 1E20047.

Yes, there are some extremely capable E-Type specialists out there, but it's a small world, and some of the stunts and tricks pulled by some of these people is beyond belief. I've heard stories form both customers and a couple of people I know who used to work for these places...

[vpr]

dr_gn said:

vpr said:

There are a lot of terrible restorers out there of course but there are some good ones too, normally the ones that specialise in one make rather than pretend to be an expert on ALL classics.

Your car looks superb. Very similar to mine both Jaguar Dark Blue with Red Leather.

Not sure if my car was built 64. My chassis is 20303, Restored it over a 2-3 yr period. Great fun and now tinkering with my second

Isn't that a 3.8 chassis number? Mine is 1E20047.

Yes, there are some extremely capable E-Type specialists out there, but it's a small world, and some of the stunts and tricks pulled by some of these people is beyond belief. I've heard stories form both customers and a couple of people I know who used to work for these places...

No it's a 4.2 and yours is an early car mine being circa 250 later than yours

my 3.8 is 860###

[dr_gn]

vpr said:

dr_gn said:

vpr said:

There are a lot of terrible restorers out there of course but there are some good ones too, normally the ones that specialise in one make rather than pretend to be an expert on ALL classics.

Your car looks superb. Very similar to mine both Jaguar Dark Blue with Red Leather.

Not sure if my car was built 64. My chassis is 20303, Restored it over a 2-3 yr period. Great fun and now tinkering with my second

Isn't that a 3.8 chassis number? Mine is 1E20047.

Yes, there are some extremely capable E-Type specialists out there, but it's a small world, and some of the stunts and tricks pulled by some of these people is beyond belief. I've heard stories form both customers and a couple of people I know who used to work for these places...

I see, it was the missing 1E that confused me. Does yours have the external brake vacuum pipes around the bulkhead?

No it's a 4.2 and yours is an early car mine being circa 250 later than yours

my 3.8 is 860###