1964 Mini Cooper S
Discussion
Some 'known' cars with history are changing hands at those sort of prices, not just Mk1s either, a friend of mine recently sold his Mk2 1275 S privately for £27k. A 1071 S which he once owned a recently sold for £30k. Make sure what you're looking at is the real thing though, fake Coopers abound unfortunately. Best thing to do is to join the Mini Cooper Register.
Non 'S' Coopers (997cc and 998cc) are rising in price now too.
Non 'S' Coopers (997cc and 998cc) are rising in price now too.
EXKAY120 said:
The one i`ve seen is 25k, looks perfect, its with a trader which makes me wonder why this price, thought it might have been more money ?
Is it a 1071 S or 1275 S? The 1071 is the rare beast with only 4031 built between 1963-64, the 1275 ran to 14,313 built between 1964-67... do you have a link to the one you're looking at?Price depends on so many things with these - originality (is it in the original '64 Mk1 shell or a later one with wind up windows and interior door hinges as per Mk3 onwards?), correct engine and chassis numbers, condition (restored or original?), colour, period extras, documented history etc. A lot of them have been re-engined more than once - is the block the one it left the factory with in '64...? Being a '64 Mk1 S it should have the correct two tone vinyl interior to match the body colour, correct speedo, bootboard brackets, correct suspension for build date of the car (dry rubber cone or hydrolastic which was introduced in September '64), these are just a few of the things you need to check, it's a bit of a minefield compared to a lot of other classics.
Lots of questions I know but you need to find out as much as possible before comitting to one... as well as joining the MCR it's a good idea to find a copy of John Parnells book 'Original Cooper & Cooper S' (Bay View Books), it turns up on ebay quite often.
Good luck!
That car was from Anglesey and was on Car and Classic for £20K a couple of weeks ago from where the dealer bought it. It looks nice, the shell looks the right age but doesn't look a £30K car, so probably priced spot on. You'd have to check the engine is correct (1071)but I'd expect a reshell as most are in my experience, if not it's a bonus. You won't find a restored 1071 any cheaper, and if you do no doubt a dealer will be on the seller's doorstep before you will!
I sold my 1310 Cooper S for £500 in the late 70'sConsidering the enormous premium that "genuine" examples of some versions of classic cars command, are they really worth it? Especially as cars to drive?
A recreation/replica of a fast version of an (now fairly vintage) Everyman car like a Cooper S will do pretty much everything, and possibly more than, the halo model will.
A recreation/replica of a fast version of an (now fairly vintage) Everyman car like a Cooper S will do pretty much everything, and possibly more than, the halo model will.
MC Bodge said:
Considering the enormous premium that "genuine" examples of some versions of classic cars command, are they really worth it? Especially as cars to drive?
A recreation/replica of a fast version of an (now fairly vintage) Everyman car like a Cooper S will do pretty much everything, and possibly more than, the halo model will.
I would say no as far as cars to actually drive go, for the amount of money you'd spend on one of those you could have multiple mini's built differently. So one as an engine conversion that's reliable enough to be a daily and then a sorted car with an A series with all sorts of fancy bits on that will go, corner and stop miles better than the original. But that's only as far as driving goes...A recreation/replica of a fast version of an (now fairly vintage) Everyman car like a Cooper S will do pretty much everything, and possibly more than, the halo model will.
I have a MKIII S " lokkalike " that I compete in, trust me it is every bit as fast, fun, crowd pleasing as an original. It's just it is not so valuable as I can actually use and enjoy it, and not worry about the cost. I won the Brooklands Double Twelve mini cooper class in 2013, the VSCC did not care it was a replica. So it depends what you want, if you want to use, abuse and enjoy a replica is a better bet unless you are seriously rich. But a real one will make you richer.
17 MFC - the red Mini Cooper that used to live opposite me in about 1977-78 - I lusted after that car - the noise it made accelerating through the gears up to the top of the road I can recall even now - 35 years later.
What engine would have been in that one?
Scrapped years ago I believe ... they weren't worth anything back then.
What engine would have been in that one?
Scrapped years ago I believe ... they weren't worth anything back then.
uk66fastback said:
17 MFC - the red Mini Cooper that used to live opposite me in about 1977-78 - I lusted after that car - the noise it made accelerating through the gears up to the top of the road I can recall even now - 35 years later.
What engine would have been in that one?
Scrapped years ago I believe ... they weren't worth anything back then.
The reg' number says to me no later than a late '63 / into '64 car (assuming it was still original spec) so it would be either a 997 Cooper, 998 Cooper, 1071 Cooper S or a 1275 Cooper S.What engine would have been in that one?
Scrapped years ago I believe ... they weren't worth anything back then.
17 MFC is a red and white Morris Mini 850cc registered July 1961 before the Cooper was introduced. I suspect it was pretty modified from your description!
And yes, I agree with some points raised above that a self built Mk1 Cooper replica is easily as much fun, half the price to own and will still appreciate in value. Also bearing in mind that the only difference between that and the 'real one' will be the logbook in many cases!
And yes, I agree with some points raised above that a self built Mk1 Cooper replica is easily as much fun, half the price to own and will still appreciate in value. Also bearing in mind that the only difference between that and the 'real one' will be the logbook in many cases!
Well, it had Cooper on the back from memory and had that characteristic whine on acceleration ... but it was 35 years ago!
What site did you check those details on as the one I used to use - the DVLA site, now it's been updated, no longer works for checking old reg no.s ...
It had a white roof from memory did 17 MFC - Oxford reg.
What site did you check those details on as the one I used to use - the DVLA site, now it's been updated, no longer works for checking old reg no.s ...
It had a white roof from memory did 17 MFC - Oxford reg.
EXKAY120 said:
Blimey, a lot to know then, this ones with Addington classics, green with a white roof, never dealt with them before....
Quite. You are the sort of punter that ahem traders are queing up for...Make sure any vehicle VINs are cross referenced with the Mini Cooper Register.
Alternatively, buy something none original and enjoy driving it like you stole it
Yes, it won't be such an "investment" but it'll be much, much more fun. You'll also not get into a aggravating conversation with some halitosis ridden stato, displaying encyclopedic knowledge almost inverse to his poor level of personal hygiene, at some Mini show about "Matching numbers".
Dont start me on "matching numbers" that drives me frigging mad !! whats that all about !! i have some old Jaguars, and its a bloody epidemic within the Jaguar "click" that everythings got to be frigging matching numbers !!
So the number on the block is macthing to the car as it was bought, nevermind the fact that that number could have been ground off and a new one put on, also, inside that "matching numbers" engine it could have different pistons, conrods, valves,camshafts so on and so on........but its matching numbers so its all ok...not !!
My old dad owned many E Types and XK`s, and if the engine went bang on one, he`d put a new one in, big deal...the car was still a fantastic car, even without its "matching numbers"
Is that fantastic classic car still as fantastic beause its got new wings on it, or a new bonnet, of course it is...get a life Mr matching numbers i say....there you go, i`ll get off my soap box now :-)
So the number on the block is macthing to the car as it was bought, nevermind the fact that that number could have been ground off and a new one put on, also, inside that "matching numbers" engine it could have different pistons, conrods, valves,camshafts so on and so on........but its matching numbers so its all ok...not !!
My old dad owned many E Types and XK`s, and if the engine went bang on one, he`d put a new one in, big deal...the car was still a fantastic car, even without its "matching numbers"
Is that fantastic classic car still as fantastic beause its got new wings on it, or a new bonnet, of course it is...get a life Mr matching numbers i say....there you go, i`ll get off my soap box now :-)
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