Guess the Car and it's Engine
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threespires

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Sunday 20th December 2015
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What car and what engine?


nicanary

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Sunday 20th December 2015
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Is it one of the original Tojeiro cars, not the JAP Asteroid, but Chris Threlfall's car with the hybrid Wolseley/MG engine?

Riley Blue

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nicanary

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175 months

Sunday 20th December 2015
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Riley Blue said:
I don't think it's the same car. Very similar - the cast magnesium wheels made me think Tojeiro.

Riley Blue

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Sunday 20th December 2015
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The one in the link is described as the first 'real' Tojeiro with the Wolseley/MG engine so the shown above (which does look different) must be the JAP powered 'Asteroid', no?

nicanary

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Sunday 20th December 2015
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No. This is The Asteroid.


threespires

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Sunday 20th December 2015
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Great answers.

My info is that it's a Tojeiro Lea-Francis driven by C.M Sears at the Cambridge 50 Car Club Snetterton Speed Trial in June 1953.

Edited by threespires on Sunday 20th December 22:25

nicanary

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Sunday 20th December 2015
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threespires said:
Great answers.

My info is that it's a Tojiero Lea-Francis driven by C.M Sears at the Cambridge 50 Car Club Snetterton Speed Trial in June 1953.
It's the same chassis as the two cars already mentioned. John Tojeiro laid down a run of 4 cars of this type, so this will be Chris Sears', the 3rd produced. After that the famous barquettes came into being.

Riley Blue

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Sunday 20th December 2015
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I never knew there was a third. I'll have a further delve in Motorsport tomorrow, I have them all on disc.

threespires

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Sunday 20th December 2015
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nicanary said:
It's the same chassis as the two cars already mentioned. John Tojeiro laid down a run of 4 cars of this type, so this will be Chris Sears', the 3rd produced. After that the famous barquettes came into being.
Great info, thanks

threespires

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Sunday 20th December 2015
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Riley Blue said:
I never knew there was a third. I'll have a further delve in Motorsport tomorrow, I have them all on disc.
I wish I had them all on disc...☺

Riley Blue

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Sunday 20th December 2015
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threespires said:
Riley Blue said:
I never knew there was a third. I'll have a further delve in Motorsport tomorrow, I have them all on disc.
I wish I had them all on disc...?
Christmas present about five or six years ago, before they all went on-line.

threespires

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Sunday 20th December 2015
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I'll send Santa a text!

Riley Blue

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Monday 21st December 2015
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Hope you've been good this year...

No much to add unfortunately. I've looked through Motorsport and the only refernce to C. M. Sears' Tojeiro is a brief mention in a race at Thruxton on August 3rd 1953 where it is described as a Tojeiro MG - you can read this here:

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/...

However, this may also be worth a look:

http://www.wsrp.cz/natgb1953.html#13

threespires

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Monday 21st December 2015
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Riley Blue said:
Hope you've been good this year...

No much to add unfortunately. I've looked through Motorsport and the only refernce to C. M. Sears' Tojeiro is a brief mention in a race at Thruxton on August 3rd 1953 where it is described as a Tojeiro MG - you can read this here:

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/...

However, this may also be worth a look:

http://www.wsrp.cz/natgb1953.html#13
Thanks for this update, I must say an MG engine would seem more likely than Lea-Francis. It was mention of the L/F engine that drew me to the photo. I think my original source is possibly incorrect.
I'm sent a monthly pdf called Historic Review published by the Eastern Counties Motor Club which is where I got the info.
My area of interest is more in rallies of the '50's rather than racing as my parents were keen competitors.

nicanary

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Monday 21st December 2015
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I got my info from Anthony Pritchard's excellent book "Specialist British Sports Racing Cars of the 50s/60s"/

In it he says that the first car was bought before it had been completed, by Chris Threlfall, who fitted a cycle-winged body and the hybrid Wolseley/MG engine. The second car was bought by Brian Lister for Archie Scott-Brown to drive (after Lister realised he wasn't as good!) and this had the big twin JAP motor. Chris Sears used a Lea-Francis engine and a fourth car was sold to Lionel Leonard, which had bodywork which was later copied for the Tojeiro-Bristol of Cliff Davis which in turn was transferred to the AC Ace.

I have seen photos of the Threlfall car and this is not it. I'm sure it's the Sears car, and the LeaF engine is correct. Pritchard is rarely wrong.

threespires

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Monday 21st December 2015
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nicanary said:
I got my info from Anthony Pritchard's excellent book "Specialist British Sports Racing Cars of the 50s/60s"/

In it he says that the first car was bought before it had been completed, by Chris Threlfall, who fitted a cycle-winged body and the hybrid Wolseley/MG engine. The second car was bought by Brian Lister for Archie Scott-Brown to drive (after Lister realised he wasn't as good!) and this had the big twin JAP motor. Chris Sears used a Lea-Francis engine and a fourth car was sold to Lionel Leonard, which had bodywork which was later copied for the Tojeiro-Bristol of Cliff Davis which in turn was transferred to the AC Ace.

I have seen photos of the Threlfall car and this is not it. I'm sure it's the Sears car, and the LeaF engine is correct. Pritchard is rarely wrong.
OK - thanks for for confirming.

Allan L

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Monday 21st December 2015
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I'd be more inclined to say it's one of Jack Turner's cars.
Those wheels were used on Turners and here's a very early one with 'em:

and the front suspension looks quite like this (Lea-Francis engined) car:


Edited by Allan L on Monday 21st December 18:07

nicanary

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Monday 21st December 2015
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Anthony Pritchard confirms in his book that the wheels were obtained from Turners of Wolverhampton.

RobMk2a

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Monday 21st December 2015
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I think these are also Turner wheels on an early 1956 TVR sports chassis.

Rob