NEC Restoration show - small rant
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Is anyone else involved with putting together a club stand for the NEC Resto show ?
If so, have you been asked for a full risk assessment in spite of not doing anything different to what you did last year ? Apparently cutting out a few bits of fabric and gluing them to plastic trim inserts counts as a high-risk activity now.
It's starting to feel like the organisers want to kill off the event already by overloading the volunteer exhibitors with stupid paperwork. The requirement for high-vis during setup and breakdown is already ridiculous enough.
If so, have you been asked for a full risk assessment in spite of not doing anything different to what you did last year ? Apparently cutting out a few bits of fabric and gluing them to plastic trim inserts counts as a high-risk activity now.
It's starting to feel like the organisers want to kill off the event already by overloading the volunteer exhibitors with stupid paperwork. The requirement for high-vis during setup and breakdown is already ridiculous enough.
Edited by marshalla on Monday 15th February 09:21
We don't do this show (Sunbeam Lotus OC) but these new procedures were in place for the NEC Classic Car Show last November.
In fact it all looks more daunting than it actually is in practice. Get everybody to sign their individual forms, buy some cheap high viz bibs, wear the wristlets, ....... the stewards inside are always helpful ......... it'll be fine.
In fact it all looks more daunting than it actually is in practice. Get everybody to sign their individual forms, buy some cheap high viz bibs, wear the wristlets, ....... the stewards inside are always helpful ......... it'll be fine.
Yeah - we did the November show too. Those high-vis vests really solved the problem of people getting run over didn't they ?
My gripe is about the organisers not understanding their own procedures. We've completed the forms for the resto show and declared what we'll be doing - all of which fits in their low risk categories, so we've done their low-risk simple risk assessment form as well as required by their declaration form. (damned if I know why, though - anything on the stand is covered by OUR insurance, not theirs).
NOW, they're asking for full risk assessments for the same low risk activities they were happy with last year and which their own forms declare as low risk and exempt from the full risk assessment process. And they're the ones encouraging us to put on live working demos. for the punters to criticise.
They just can't follow their own procedures consistently.
My gripe is about the organisers not understanding their own procedures. We've completed the forms for the resto show and declared what we'll be doing - all of which fits in their low risk categories, so we've done their low-risk simple risk assessment form as well as required by their declaration form. (damned if I know why, though - anything on the stand is covered by OUR insurance, not theirs).
NOW, they're asking for full risk assessments for the same low risk activities they were happy with last year and which their own forms declare as low risk and exempt from the full risk assessment process. And they're the ones encouraging us to put on live working demos. for the punters to criticise.
They just can't follow their own procedures consistently.
Edited by marshalla on Monday 15th February 09:53
If it was low risk last year and nothing significant has changed on your stand, then it's low risk this year.
http://www.hse.gov.uk/risk/casestudies/
This HSE link has a number of very useful case studies to cut & paste
http://www.hse.gov.uk/risk/casestudies/
This HSE link has a number of very useful case studies to cut & paste
55palfers said:
If it was low risk last year and nothing significant has changed on your stand, then it's low risk this year.
http://www.hse.gov.uk/risk/casestudies/
This HSE link has a number of very useful case studies to cut & paste
*I* know that, and you know that - and the organisers' forms even assess it that way, but the organisers have decided to ask for the full monty anyway.http://www.hse.gov.uk/risk/casestudies/
This HSE link has a number of very useful case studies to cut & paste
I used to get this all the time.
(CMIOSH and 30 years in H&S in high hazard / high consequence stuff)
If an activity has already been assessed as low hazard / low risk it takes a bit of doing to find anything meaningful to say in RA.
The problem is, most of the people asking for RA docs have no idea what they are talking about and it's just a box ticking job of collating bits (reams!) of paper. I'll bet that unless there is an incident / possible claim, the paperwork will never even be read.
What exactly will be you be doing on the stand?
(CMIOSH and 30 years in H&S in high hazard / high consequence stuff)
If an activity has already been assessed as low hazard / low risk it takes a bit of doing to find anything meaningful to say in RA.
The problem is, most of the people asking for RA docs have no idea what they are talking about and it's just a box ticking job of collating bits (reams!) of paper. I'll bet that unless there is an incident / possible claim, the paperwork will never even be read.
What exactly will be you be doing on the stand?
Now . . . let's see if I've got this right . . .
Clubs and individuals have to pay the organisers to exhibit their cars.
Clubs and individuals have to pay their own incidental expenses (accomodatione etc).
The organisers effectively make clubs and individuals jump through hoops to exhibit their cars.
The organisers charge members of the public to visit the show.
The organisers no doubt make a nice profit.
The clubs and individual exhibitors are left well out of pocket.
Without willing clubs and individuals there would be no show and the organisers would therefore make zilch.
Yet clubs and individuals still want to exhibit their cars at such shows.
Clubs and individuals have to pay the organisers to exhibit their cars.
Clubs and individuals have to pay their own incidental expenses (accomodatione etc).
The organisers effectively make clubs and individuals jump through hoops to exhibit their cars.
The organisers charge members of the public to visit the show.
The organisers no doubt make a nice profit.
The clubs and individual exhibitors are left well out of pocket.
Without willing clubs and individuals there would be no show and the organisers would therefore make zilch.
Yet clubs and individuals still want to exhibit their cars at such shows.
restoman said:
Now . . . let's see if I've got this right . . .
Clubs and individuals have to pay the organisers to exhibit their cars.
Clubs and individuals have to pay their own incidental expenses (accomodatione etc).
The organisers effectively make clubs and individuals jump through hoops to exhibit their cars.
The organisers charge members of the public to visit the show.
The organisers no doubt make a nice profit.
The clubs and individual exhibitors are left well out of pocket.
Without willing clubs and individuals there would be no show and the organisers would therefore make zilch.
Yet clubs and individuals still want to exhibit their cars at such shows.
You haven't.Clubs and individuals have to pay the organisers to exhibit their cars.
Clubs and individuals have to pay their own incidental expenses (accomodatione etc).
The organisers effectively make clubs and individuals jump through hoops to exhibit their cars.
The organisers charge members of the public to visit the show.
The organisers no doubt make a nice profit.
The clubs and individual exhibitors are left well out of pocket.
Without willing clubs and individuals there would be no show and the organisers would therefore make zilch.
Yet clubs and individuals still want to exhibit their cars at such shows.
Just wait until the H&S lot catch on to a fairly common process whereby 1.5 tonne lumps of metal are moved past people wearing no particular safety equipment by people with very little initial training and no requirement for training refreshment at a distance of about a metre with no safety barriers at speeds of over 13.5 metres per second... 
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