Eco, Hybrid, Electric, Autonomous V Classics
Discussion
The production of Eco, Hybrid and Electric cars is gathering pace.
The 'threat' of Autonomous vehicles arriving in the not too distant future is a reality.
It is inevitable that environmental and emission laws will tighten as time goes on.
It is likely that the use of older cars will be restricted, certainly in towns and cities, if not everywhere.
How will all this affect the Classic car Market?
Will such cars just become museum pieces?
Will values plummet as classics become less usable and therefore less attractive?
Discuss.
The 'threat' of Autonomous vehicles arriving in the not too distant future is a reality.
It is inevitable that environmental and emission laws will tighten as time goes on.
It is likely that the use of older cars will be restricted, certainly in towns and cities, if not everywhere.
How will all this affect the Classic car Market?
Will such cars just become museum pieces?
Will values plummet as classics become less usable and therefore less attractive?
Discuss.
Sebring440 said:
restoman said:
Discuss.
No, you discuss.Tell us why you think:
restoman said:
Will such cars just become museum pieces?
Will values plummet as classics become less usable and therefore less attractive?
Will values plummet as classics become less usable and therefore less attractive?
Rather than try and be clever, try re-reading my opening post. Nowhere did I say that I thought classic cars would become museum pieces, less usable or less attractive as indicated by the use of the word 'will'.
Edited by restoman on Monday 10th October 22:35
Something I've been saying for quite a while now…
In years to come we will look back at this period as a golden age of classic driving: the 'net means previously rare parts are now easier to track down, forums and youtube videos are available to help out on tricky jobs, we have free VED on certain cars, insurance for classics is cheap and, most importantly, we can drive them whenever we like…
It is only a matter of time until restrictions are placed upon driving old cars. 'They' will say it's for environmental or safety reasons. They might even make up some crap about automated vehicles, but the point remains: sooner or later you won't be able to jump into your classic and go for a good drive/Italian tune up.
With the whole Brexit thing, perhaps we will have a bit more time - but restrictions will come.
Enjoy 'em while you can…
As far as values go. Well, frankly, I struggle to give a s
t. I buy classics because I enjoy driving and working on them. If you bought one as an investment, then perhaps you should read the blurb about value of your investment going down as well as up.
In years to come we will look back at this period as a golden age of classic driving: the 'net means previously rare parts are now easier to track down, forums and youtube videos are available to help out on tricky jobs, we have free VED on certain cars, insurance for classics is cheap and, most importantly, we can drive them whenever we like…
It is only a matter of time until restrictions are placed upon driving old cars. 'They' will say it's for environmental or safety reasons. They might even make up some crap about automated vehicles, but the point remains: sooner or later you won't be able to jump into your classic and go for a good drive/Italian tune up.
With the whole Brexit thing, perhaps we will have a bit more time - but restrictions will come.
Enjoy 'em while you can…
As far as values go. Well, frankly, I struggle to give a s
t. I buy classics because I enjoy driving and working on them. If you bought one as an investment, then perhaps you should read the blurb about value of your investment going down as well as up. Faust66 said:
Enjoy 'em while you can…
I agree with Faust66 with the added worry that when the zero VED came in we saw it as the thin edge of a restricted use wedge - so far it has not been, but . . .It doesn't take a conspiracy theorist to worry that the MoT exemption has the same potential. It has been "justified" by the very low rate of failure by older vehicles, but most of the people I know would not present an old vehicle for testing with known faults. We have all come across someone with a bi-digital attitude to maintenence whose untested cars can bring the rest of us into disrepute.
I prefer to have the discipline of an independent and obligatory inspection for the benefits it brings: a second pair of eyes to spot what you thought you'd splitpinned, a decent brake test, etc. and a defence against those who would ban our cars as unroadworthy.
Convert your classic to electric ? Ni, I wouldn't either for mine, but could be interesting for cars like the Beetle which had a crap underpowered excuse for an engine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXsQGWWz3Is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXsQGWWz3Is
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As far as values go. Well, frankly, I struggle to give a st. I buy classics because I enjoy driving and working on them. If you bought one as an investment, then perhaps you should read the blurb about value of your investment going down as well as up.
This is something with which I wholeheartedly agree
The irony is that if the classics we hanker after do lose value and become more affordable, those of us who think this way will still not be able to buy them to enjoy . . . .
As far as values go. Well, frankly, I struggle to give a st. I buy classics because I enjoy driving and working on them. If you bought one as an investment, then perhaps you should read the blurb about value of your investment going down as well as up.
This is something with which I wholeheartedly agree
The irony is that if the classics we hanker after do lose value and become more affordable, those of us who think this way will still not be able to buy them to enjoy . . . .
Edited by restoman on Tuesday 11th October 13:45
Edited by restoman on Tuesday 11th October 13:47
Germany already has zones in cities where you need a coloured sticker to be allowed to drive within the zone. The sticker colour is based on adherence to EU emissions standards, diesels faring worse than petrol, cars before 1990 can't get a sticker at all. However, they have exceptions for classic cars which have to be in a preservation worthy condition to qualify.
I would guess that like the annual vehicle tax cars older than a certain age will be exempt from any such requirement, although they will likely be banned from Motorways and other high speed roads when they become autonomous cars only. Much like the current exemption it'll be arbitrary and a bit unfair.
The roads are rapidly becoming boring to drive so I'd be happy if I can still drive what I want on a circuit with like minded individuals.
The roads are rapidly becoming boring to drive so I'd be happy if I can still drive what I want on a circuit with like minded individuals.
Yertis said:
Really? Depends where you live I suppose but I'm hardly in the wilderness and it's still fun.
Depends on when I want to get to, if I want to just drive for fun I have a local route that is a lot of fun at the right time of the day but if I have to go anywhere at a normal time it is too busy/full of enforcement cameras/speed humps. It didn't used to be that way and it is getting worse.eldar said:
restoman said:
In the news today - Germany plan to ban the sale of Petrol and Diesel cars by 2030 so will probably affect the whole of Europe (and the UK even if we're 'out' I wonder?)
No they don't. Re read the news you saw.
), Observer and many others must all be wrong then . . . . . . . . . .Edited by restoman on Wednesday 12th October 22:43
Edited by restoman on Wednesday 12th October 22:44
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