DFT at it again
Discussion
Ouch:
4.11 We are proposing that for kit cars, compliance with the MOT emissions standards current at the date of registration will be required, despite the use of an older engine. In other words the current relaxation for emissions according to the age of the engine will no longer apply.
4.12 Reconstructed (restored) classic cars undergoing IVA will not be required to meet the latest MOT standards, as long as the appearance of the vehicle is broadly unchanged and the engine is of the same capacity as that supplied with the vehicle when it was new.
4.13 When new vehicles were first required to be fitted with catalytic converters around 1992 (Euro 1 emissions standard), kit car makers typically used older engines which were not fitted with catalytic converters, hence the justification for age-appropriate testing of emissions based on date of engine manufacture or first use. The majority of the fleet is now vehicles up to 25 years old whose engines are fitted with catalytic converters, providing plenty of choice to the kit car builder
4.11 We are proposing that for kit cars, compliance with the MOT emissions standards current at the date of registration will be required, despite the use of an older engine. In other words the current relaxation for emissions according to the age of the engine will no longer apply.
4.12 Reconstructed (restored) classic cars undergoing IVA will not be required to meet the latest MOT standards, as long as the appearance of the vehicle is broadly unchanged and the engine is of the same capacity as that supplied with the vehicle when it was new.
4.13 When new vehicles were first required to be fitted with catalytic converters around 1992 (Euro 1 emissions standard), kit car makers typically used older engines which were not fitted with catalytic converters, hence the justification for age-appropriate testing of emissions based on date of engine manufacture or first use. The majority of the fleet is now vehicles up to 25 years old whose engines are fitted with catalytic converters, providing plenty of choice to the kit car builder
Has already been posted in the Kit Car section
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
The issue for classic car owners is that the consultation is about applying legislation to "reconstructed classic cars" as well as "kit cars".
And of course there is the matter of 'the thin end of the wedge'
Suggest you register your protests on the DVLA website (link can be accessed above)......
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
The issue for classic car owners is that the consultation is about applying legislation to "reconstructed classic cars" as well as "kit cars".
And of course there is the matter of 'the thin end of the wedge'
Suggest you register your protests on the DVLA website (link can be accessed above)......
mad4amanda said:
Ouch:
4.12 Reconstructed (restored) classic cars undergoing IVA will not be required to meet the latest MOT standards, as long as the appearance of the vehicle is broadly unchanged and the engine is of the same capacity as that supplied with the vehicle when it was new.
That one is going to cause issues. So all the people who take a 1100 Escort and the basis of making an RS2000 are going to get caught, I'm sure it's very common when restoring cars to upgrade base models to higher end versions. In the Jaguar space, 4.2 engines are in much great supply than 3.4 and 3.8 ones, so it's often easier to switch to a larger capacity.4.12 Reconstructed (restored) classic cars undergoing IVA will not be required to meet the latest MOT standards, as long as the appearance of the vehicle is broadly unchanged and the engine is of the same capacity as that supplied with the vehicle when it was new.
velocemitch said:
Does 'reconstructed' mean replica, or perhaps the continuation cars, like the Jag XKSS etc.
Or do they mean a Car which has been comprehensively restored?.
Reconstructed classic is what it says on the tin...Or do they mean a Car which has been comprehensively restored?.
e.g
Find an old pre-war chassis in a barn, say an old Bentley for sake of argument, with a clear identity, but no body, running gear etc., and you could re-construct it to a running vehicle using correct for the period, parts, such as engine, trans etc, and put a period style body (even a newly constructed one) and it would be a re-constructed classic and get a age related plate once documented etc.
Do it all, but put a brand new modern engine and running gear in it, and it would likely fail the re-constructed classic test on points and would need to go through BIVA etc.
a8hex said:
mad4amanda said:
Ouch:
4.12 Reconstructed (restored) classic cars undergoing IVA will not be required to meet the latest MOT standards, as long as the appearance of the vehicle is broadly unchanged and the engine is of the same capacity as that supplied with the vehicle when it was new.
That one is going to cause issues. So all the people who take a 1100 Escort and the basis of making an RS2000 are going to get caught, I'm sure it's very common when restoring cars to upgrade base models to higher end versions. In the Jaguar space, 4.2 engines are in much great supply than 3.4 and 3.8 ones, so it's often easier to switch to a larger capacity.4.12 Reconstructed (restored) classic cars undergoing IVA will not be required to meet the latest MOT standards, as long as the appearance of the vehicle is broadly unchanged and the engine is of the same capacity as that supplied with the vehicle when it was new.
//j17 said:
a8hex said:
mad4amanda said:
Ouch:
4.12 Reconstructed (restored) classic cars undergoing IVA will not be required to meet the latest MOT standards, as long as the appearance of the vehicle is broadly unchanged and the engine is of the same capacity as that supplied with the vehicle when it was new.
That one is going to cause issues. So all the people who take a 1100 Escort and the basis of making an RS2000 are going to get caught, I'm sure it's very common when restoring cars to upgrade base models to higher end versions. In the Jaguar space, 4.2 engines are in much great supply than 3.4 and 3.8 ones, so it's often easier to switch to a larger capacity.4.12 Reconstructed (restored) classic cars undergoing IVA will not be required to meet the latest MOT standards, as long as the appearance of the vehicle is broadly unchanged and the engine is of the same capacity as that supplied with the vehicle when it was new.
aeropilot said:
If it was a 'replica' using 1970's period Ford running gear etc, then no it likely wouldn't, unless trying to pass it off as a real one, but it might fall foul if running modern zetec/duratec engine, modern gearbox, non-English back axle etc.,etc.
Isn't that exactly the effect of the new regulations though? As it stands at the moment aeropilot is correct, you could put whatever engine in it and it only has to meet the emissions standard of that engine when it was new.
The new proposal is that that would still apply if the replacement engine was the same cc as the original ( in this case an 1100 ) so you could still return your treasured old classic to the road if you wanted to.
But if you want to put a bigger engine, effectively creating a modified car, they want you to put in a modern engine that meets current emissions requirements.
You can kind of understand the logic that if you want to modify it then there's no reason not to modify it to be cleaner in theory. Of course it will be a lot harder to do than just slinging in a Pinto won't it.
Wooda80 said:
Isn't that exactly the effect of the new regulations though?
As it stands at the moment aeropilot is correct, you could put whatever engine in it and it only has to meet the emissions standard of that engine when it was new.
The new proposal is that that would still apply if the replacement engine was the same cc as the original ( in this case an 1100 ) so you could still return your treasured old classic to the road if you wanted to.
But if you want to put a bigger engine, effectively creating a modified car, they want you to put in a modern engine that meets current emissions requirements.
No, you're just reading one side of it again.As it stands at the moment aeropilot is correct, you could put whatever engine in it and it only has to meet the emissions standard of that engine when it was new.
The new proposal is that that would still apply if the replacement engine was the same cc as the original ( in this case an 1100 ) so you could still return your treasured old classic to the road if you wanted to.
But if you want to put a bigger engine, effectively creating a modified car, they want you to put in a modern engine that meets current emissions requirements.
If the car has to undergo IVA and the engine capacity has been changed then yes, it would need to meet the latest MOT standards. But just fitting a 2000cc engine in place of an 1100cc one doesn't require an IVA, so the legacy rules would apply. Likewise legacy standard would apply to a car that DOES have to go through IVA but with a same capacity engine as original.
About the only people this should affect are those changing engine, gearbox and suspension (or other combination of changes to trigger the need for IVA) AND fitting a bigger, old engine or modern engine then making it worse by fitting carbs when you could just fit it's EFi system and cat. and just pass the emissions test.
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