France Emission stickers
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Vehicles registered before 1st December 1996 are not subject to Emission control.
https://www.certificat-air.gouv.fr/docs/tableaux_c...
https://www.certificat-air.gouv.fr/docs/tableaux_c...
shakotan said:
Vehicles registered before 1st December 1996 are not subject to Emission control.
https://www.certificat-air.gouv.fr/docs/tableaux_c...
Yes you are correct and that means are not allowed to be used in Paris.https://www.certificat-air.gouv.fr/docs/tableaux_c...
shakotan said:
Good idea.Riley Blue said:
Thanks for that. More useful than the Autocar article.I have already contacted FIVA: the guy at HQ (Brussels) doesn't seem to know about this, but is contacting FFVE for me.
No mention of the Carte Grise de Collection on the Air Quality Certificate Service website, as far as I can see, but I have emailed them anyway. I have tried to find out how to get hold of a Carte Grise de Collection, but as far as I can see (my French is not brilliant), these are only available for French registered vehicles.
It seems that Paris exempts historics from the Crit'Air requirements if they have a historic designation on their Carte Grise (their V5 equivalent) which they call the Carte Grise de Collection.
The question no-one seems able to answer is whether an equivalent designation on the registration document from another country - such as an historic designation on a UK V5 - is also sufficient. I would have thought so at least so long as we are in the EU as member states should all have the same definition for historics/classics.
It also seems that each metropolitan area adopting the Crit'Air restrictions can make its own exemptions.
Clear as mud.
It would be useful if one of Octane/Classic Cars etc could do a properly researched piece on this.
The question no-one seems able to answer is whether an equivalent designation on the registration document from another country - such as an historic designation on a UK V5 - is also sufficient. I would have thought so at least so long as we are in the EU as member states should all have the same definition for historics/classics.
It also seems that each metropolitan area adopting the Crit'Air restrictions can make its own exemptions.
Clear as mud.
It would be useful if one of Octane/Classic Cars etc could do a properly researched piece on this.
As someone who has lived in France for 20 years, I think you are worrying about nothing. Ever seen the annual rally where we cross Paris in our old cars? Then have a read here:-
http://autoweek.com/article/classic-cars/hundreds-...
It is like me when I come to the UK in my French car and criss-cross the Thames without paying, like any foreigner. The system can't cope with foreign plates. The "flics" won't do anything except admire your car. As regards the Carte Grise de Collection, It is available to anyone with a car over 25 years old so the 1997 cut-off date doesn't apply there, and i believe emissions controls only apply to the "contrôle technique" or MOT, not to city emission levels which are decided by the mayor, just like the difference between say London and Chelmsford.
In saying the above I assume you are just visiting for a short while, not proposing to live there, but in any case I have an english friend in Paris who has a Vincent and an Austin Healey he has kept on UK plates and he never gets bothered.
http://autoweek.com/article/classic-cars/hundreds-...
It is like me when I come to the UK in my French car and criss-cross the Thames without paying, like any foreigner. The system can't cope with foreign plates. The "flics" won't do anything except admire your car. As regards the Carte Grise de Collection, It is available to anyone with a car over 25 years old so the 1997 cut-off date doesn't apply there, and i believe emissions controls only apply to the "contrôle technique" or MOT, not to city emission levels which are decided by the mayor, just like the difference between say London and Chelmsford.
In saying the above I assume you are just visiting for a short while, not proposing to live there, but in any case I have an english friend in Paris who has a Vincent and an Austin Healey he has kept on UK plates and he never gets bothered.
lowdrag said:
As someone who has lived in France for 20 years, I think you are worrying about nothing. Ever seen the annual rally where we cross Paris in our old cars? Then have a read here:-
http://autoweek.com/article/classic-cars/hundreds-...
It is like me when I come to the UK in my French car and criss-cross the Thames without paying, like any foreigner. The system can't cope with foreign plates. The "flics" won't do anything except admire your car. As regards the Carte Grise de Collection, It is available to anyone with a car over 25 years old so the 1997 cut-off date doesn't apply there, and i believe emissions controls only apply to the "contrôle technique" or MOT, not to city emission levels which are decided by the mayor, just like the difference between say London and Chelmsford.
In saying the above I assume you are just visiting for a short while, not proposing to live there, but in any case I have an english friend in Paris who has a Vincent and an Austin Healey he has kept on UK plates and he never gets bothered.
While I take your point about enforcement, I would hazard a guess that your rallies take place at weekends, when the restrictions are not in force. Yes, just passing through on my way to Maranello.http://autoweek.com/article/classic-cars/hundreds-...
It is like me when I come to the UK in my French car and criss-cross the Thames without paying, like any foreigner. The system can't cope with foreign plates. The "flics" won't do anything except admire your car. As regards the Carte Grise de Collection, It is available to anyone with a car over 25 years old so the 1997 cut-off date doesn't apply there, and i believe emissions controls only apply to the "contrôle technique" or MOT, not to city emission levels which are decided by the mayor, just like the difference between say London and Chelmsford.
In saying the above I assume you are just visiting for a short while, not proposing to live there, but in any case I have an english friend in Paris who has a Vincent and an Austin Healey he has kept on UK plates and he never gets bothered.
I've driven the E-type through Paris during the week as well, and never had a qualm. Just approving looks really. Look, it is your decision whether or not you go to Paris, and all I was trying to do was to reassure you. If you don't feel happy about it, then if it helps you sleep at night stay away. It is after all a personal decision. Whatever, enjoy your trip.
lowdrag said:
I've driven the E-type through Paris during the week as well, and never had a qualm. Just approving looks really. Look, it is your decision whether or not you go to Paris, and all I was trying to do was to reassure you. If you don't feel happy about it, then if it helps you sleep at night stay away. It is after all a personal decision. Whatever, enjoy your trip.
And you have (reassured me), for which I am grateful.Having started looking into this, I am interested to discover what the official position is, so I shall keep on digging.
Sorry for old thread revival! I have searched but can’t find any useful info.
I understand that French cars over 30 years old are exempt from Crit-air and have historic on log book & possibly have a special sticker, how do we manage in a UK registered car over 30, can we get a sticker or just show a log book proving age to any copper that stops us?
We are off to LeMans next week & I don’t want to fall foul it if possible.
I understand that French cars over 30 years old are exempt from Crit-air and have historic on log book & possibly have a special sticker, how do we manage in a UK registered car over 30, can we get a sticker or just show a log book proving age to any copper that stops us?
We are off to LeMans next week & I don’t want to fall foul it if possible.
I have a carte grise de collection (V5 to you) for my XKSS but that does not exempt it from emissions control at the 5-yr MOT. There are different levels according to the age of the car it seems. But, once again,I have never heard of anyone being stopped for this in a classic. I mean, logically, what are the police going to do? Confiscate your car, and send it to an MOT station? It is lile the breathalyser which was supposed to be carried in every car. The trouble was that it gave different readings according to the ambient temperature so it was quietly dropped, but technically it is still on the statute books. I have lived in France for 22 years and have been stopped once for an identity check and car papers, and never ever for a check of the car itself. Personally I wouldn't like to go through Paris in a classic now because of the traffic density, and especially if the weather is anything like we have had recently, but then that is your choice.
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