IVA question for classic
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Dear peeps,
I’m in a bit if a quandary.
I have an old Austin sheerline that I’ve been sitting on and now have got time to start playing around with it. I’m kind of resto modding/customising the interior as it’s got lots of original bits missing and there’s the rub....
It’s got an old jag xk engine, box, running gear axles etc.
Original chassis though.
All of this work on jag engine etc, I was told, was done a long time ago. To try to get new old stock to replace with Austin bits would be impossible as the sheerline was a low volume car and there are only 17 sheerline limos left like mine.
Where do I stand with the law on this?
Thanks for all input,
Mark
I’m in a bit if a quandary.
I have an old Austin sheerline that I’ve been sitting on and now have got time to start playing around with it. I’m kind of resto modding/customising the interior as it’s got lots of original bits missing and there’s the rub....
It’s got an old jag xk engine, box, running gear axles etc.
Original chassis though.
All of this work on jag engine etc, I was told, was done a long time ago. To try to get new old stock to replace with Austin bits would be impossible as the sheerline was a low volume car and there are only 17 sheerline limos left like mine.
Where do I stand with the law on this?
Thanks for all input,
Mark
Parrotface said:
All of this work on jag engine etc, I was told, was done a long time ago. To try to get new old stock to replace with Austin bits would be impossible as the sheerline was a low volume car and there are only 17 sheerline limos left like mine.
Where do I stand with the law on this?
So long as it was done before the 8pts test came in in the 90s, you're good. No problem at all.Where do I stand with the law on this?
<thinks> Did we have a Sheerline conversation before? Neighbour...?
Thanks too many cv’s- yes I was going to flog it, but a change of circumstance allows me to soldier on with the project...as long as I don’t get stung at the end of, with it not being legal!
Trouble is about this, how on earth, if it ever came to it, would I prove that these changes had all been done a long time ago!!!! I’m just worried from an insurance perspective as well as the car being sellable at some point....
Trouble is about this, how on earth, if it ever came to it, would I prove that these changes had all been done a long time ago!!!! I’m just worried from an insurance perspective as well as the car being sellable at some point....
I think you have two classes of problem here;
1. You are no longer entitled to retain the original registration mark as it appears you only qualify for 5 points of the needed 8 (you retain 5 for the chassis). Hence when you go through the re-registration process you'll move out of historic.
2. You'll now fall into the new "substantially modified" category.
There is lots of very knowledgeable advice on the rods n sods forum legal section with some very similar examples to yours discussed/resolved. I suggest you head on over there as you're much more likely to receive the right kind of advice.
1. You are no longer entitled to retain the original registration mark as it appears you only qualify for 5 points of the needed 8 (you retain 5 for the chassis). Hence when you go through the re-registration process you'll move out of historic.
2. You'll now fall into the new "substantially modified" category.
There is lots of very knowledgeable advice on the rods n sods forum legal section with some very similar examples to yours discussed/resolved. I suggest you head on over there as you're much more likely to receive the right kind of advice.
Andy-IM said:
I think you have two classes of problem here;
1. You are no longer entitled to retain the original registration mark as it appears you only qualify for 5 points of the needed 8 (you retain 5 for the chassis). Hence when you go through the re-registration process you'll move out of historic.
But it's already registered...1. You are no longer entitled to retain the original registration mark as it appears you only qualify for 5 points of the needed 8 (you retain 5 for the chassis). Hence when you go through the re-registration process you'll move out of historic.
Andy-IM said:
2. You'll now fall into the new "substantially modified" category.
Which just means it needs an MOT (assuming the mods weren't carried out 30+yrs ago).If we assume the 1994 reg date was when the mods were done, then the reg is good (pre-8pt/IVA), but it needs a ticket for a few more years.
TooMany2cvs said:
Which just means it needs an MOT (assuming the mods weren't carried out 30+yrs ago).
If we assume the 1994 reg date was when the mods were done, then the reg is good (pre-8pt/IVA), but it needs a ticket for a few more years.
The printout indicates that the car still has it's original engine. Jaguar didn't make a 4 litre.If we assume the 1994 reg date was when the mods were done, then the reg is good (pre-8pt/IVA), but it needs a ticket for a few more years.
The OP needs to check the engine numbers on the V5.
GoodOlBoy said:
The printout indicates that the car still has it's original engine. Jaguar didn't make a 4 litre.
The OP needs to check the engine numbers on the V5.
Yes, I know. All that says is that the person who built it never told DVLA.The OP needs to check the engine numbers on the V5.
Pre-resto photos should show that it's a looong time since it was built.
Hi gents,
Just had another interesting twist thrown up.... the engine number, that ive never checked before says on a jag website(see below) that it’s a 4.2 from around 1964 whereas the v5 says it’s 3.9! This ties in with what I was originally told that the Austin engine blew up and the lord who owned the car wanted a better engine, back when the car was younger
. So what to do!!! For reference my engine number is ID7805
Just had another interesting twist thrown up.... the engine number, that ive never checked before says on a jag website(see below) that it’s a 4.2 from around 1964 whereas the v5 says it’s 3.9! This ties in with what I was originally told that the Austin engine blew up and the lord who owned the car wanted a better engine, back when the car was younger
. So what to do!!! For reference my engine number is ID7805
Loads of information, lots of it wrong.
There are two separate issues, vehicle identity and whether it needs an MOT for taxing it. Forget the MOT stuff for now, the main issue is identity.
If it was done prior to 1998 then it may be ok but there are conditions. It looks like the engine swap was done half arsed for starters plus the suspension swap should have been notified. This would have meant a Q plate but there was no inspection etc. The main thing is though, you will need evidence to show it was used on the road in it's modified state prior to '98. Without it DVLA will not entertain it. That will mean a BIVA test and new registration being issued.
This gives you two options. Ignore it's dubious identity and put it on the road. Worse case scenario is you have the V5 withdrawn and are pointed at BIVA. The other is to build it for BIVA and enjoy it safe in knowing it's future proof.
As far as the BIVA test is concerned some stuff is best built in at the build stage, going back over is a ball ache, so even if you decide to wing it a BIVA build(ish) is prudent.
It's a cool old bus and would make a great bruiser of a rod.
Just re-checked images, it's flat glass which helps complying enormously.
There are two separate issues, vehicle identity and whether it needs an MOT for taxing it. Forget the MOT stuff for now, the main issue is identity.
If it was done prior to 1998 then it may be ok but there are conditions. It looks like the engine swap was done half arsed for starters plus the suspension swap should have been notified. This would have meant a Q plate but there was no inspection etc. The main thing is though, you will need evidence to show it was used on the road in it's modified state prior to '98. Without it DVLA will not entertain it. That will mean a BIVA test and new registration being issued.
This gives you two options. Ignore it's dubious identity and put it on the road. Worse case scenario is you have the V5 withdrawn and are pointed at BIVA. The other is to build it for BIVA and enjoy it safe in knowing it's future proof.
As far as the BIVA test is concerned some stuff is best built in at the build stage, going back over is a ball ache, so even if you decide to wing it a BIVA build(ish) is prudent.
It's a cool old bus and would make a great bruiser of a rod.
Just re-checked images, it's flat glass which helps complying enormously.
V8 Fettler said:
If the OP has a (substantially) valid V5, why does he need to go through the hoops of the points system to be road legal?
No hoops for the point system relating to identity, you either have 8+ or you don't. When you don't your current V5 becomes null and void, you need a new identity via BIVA.The problem is that the recent VHI information sounds similar to the 8 points identity rule, causing people to confuse them. For this case the VHI stuff needs to be ignored, it's the identity that is in doubt.
I here you regarding identity, but wouldn’t the notification that specified the engine number (on v5) that related to it being Jaguar(and an older engine before 94), coupled with the fact that it was registered in 94 be enough evidence that this is an older modification and therefore not subject to biva?
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