Capri RS3100 spotted.
Discussion
You've not heard of the RS2600 then? 
https://www.rsownersclub.co.uk/rs-marques/rs2600/
The RS3100 wasn't as exotic, but was a very well sorted car with a lot of detail changes over the 3000 GT.
https://www.rsownersclub.co.uk/rs-marques/rs2600/
The RS3100 wasn't as exotic, but was a very well sorted car with a lot of detail changes over the 3000 GT.
GAjon said:
Interesting! The dates appear to be all over the place on production and sale.
The 3100 was produced after the 2600 in order for the GA 3..4 to be homolagated, wasn’t it?
And the ducktail rear spoiler, which was never fitted to the RS2600.The 3100 was produced after the 2600 in order for the GA 3..4 to be homolagated, wasn’t it?
It is RSOC though.....and they've never really been that bothered/interested in anything pre-75.....so don't take any info from them as being 100% correct.
From dimming memory cells, I actually didn't think that FAVO had anything to due with the original RS2600, and certainly not in 1969, as FAVO didn't exist as an entity until Jan 14th 1970, and from that date until the first car rolled was built in Nov 1970, the only things done there was the building up of the factory production lines and moving parts from Comps at Boreham over to Aveley.
If anything the first batch of lwt RS2600's were likely hand built built elsewhere? Most likely at Halewood where the UK Capri's were made (along with the Escort) in the side bays where the small team did the extra work to build up the Escort Twin Cam's and later in early 1970, the early pre-AVO built RS1600's.
Nice, also had a Stardust RS31 in mid 90's which I believe was the last of the 18 in that colour. Bought it complete but in bits and never had time to do anything with it as I was too busy racing, so sold it on. White one in pic was also an RS31...
Edited by QuadCamCapri on Thursday 25th April 09:57
QuadCamCapri said:
Nice, also had a Stardust RS31 in mid 90's which I believe was the last of the 18 in that colour. Bought it in bits and never had time to do anything with it as I was too busy racing, so sold it on. White one in pic was also an RS31...
I know one of the stardust RS31's that was scrapped/broken for parts in the mid 80's by one of the officers of the AVOOC! I have photos of it somewhere that I took on his driveway at the time........it was all complete but the shell was rotten as a pear and like a sieve!!
aeropilot said:
I know one of the stardust RS31's that was scrapped/broken for parts in the mid 80's by one of the officers of the AVOOC!
I have photos of it somewhere that I took on his driveway at the time........it was all complete but the shell was rotten as a pear and like a sieve!!
That'll be like the white one in the pic which was in a field in Norfolk for over 10 years with no wheels on, totally rotten.I have photos of it somewhere that I took on his driveway at the time........it was all complete but the shell was rotten as a pear and like a sieve!!
aeropilot said:
And the ducktail rear spoiler, which was never fitted to the RS2600.
It is RSOC though.....and they've never really been that bothered/interested in anything pre-75.....so don't take any info from them as being 100% correct.
From dimming memory cells, I actually didn't think that FAVO had anything to due with the original RS2600, and certainly not in 1969, as FAVO didn't exist as an entity until Jan 14th 1970, and from that date until the first car rolled was built in Nov 1970, the only things done there was the building up of the factory production lines and moving parts from Comps at Boreham over to Aveley.
If anything the first batch of lwt RS2600's were likely hand built built elsewhere? Most likely at Halewood where the UK Capri's were made (along with the Escort) in the side bays where the small team did the extra work to build up the Escort Twin Cam's and later in early 1970, the early pre-AVO built RS1600's.
The RS2600 was, iirc, Ford Rallye Sport in Germany, nothing to do with the UK AVO operation and they were all built at Cologne - probably 'off track' as you say. BMW pinched Martin Braungart and Jochen Neerpasch from Ford around 1971/2 ish to do the CSL thing. Similarly, the Escort RS1600i was completely separate to Ford SVE (UK).It is RSOC though.....and they've never really been that bothered/interested in anything pre-75.....so don't take any info from them as being 100% correct.
From dimming memory cells, I actually didn't think that FAVO had anything to due with the original RS2600, and certainly not in 1969, as FAVO didn't exist as an entity until Jan 14th 1970, and from that date until the first car rolled was built in Nov 1970, the only things done there was the building up of the factory production lines and moving parts from Comps at Boreham over to Aveley.
If anything the first batch of lwt RS2600's were likely hand built built elsewhere? Most likely at Halewood where the UK Capri's were made (along with the Escort) in the side bays where the small team did the extra work to build up the Escort Twin Cam's and later in early 1970, the early pre-AVO built RS1600's.
Yes the Ford Capri beat BMW in the ETCC in 1971 & 72, so BMW poached the Ford people to create the Batmobile in 1973 and beat Ford.
Despite Ford hiring drivers like Jackie Stewart, they struggled without the aero now homologated on the BMW's and had to wait for the RS3100 to be homologated in 1974.
Despite Ford hiring drivers like Jackie Stewart, they struggled without the aero now homologated on the BMW's and had to wait for the RS3100 to be homologated in 1974.
One of my colleagues at our factory in Germany bought a genuine Cologne 2600 back in the 70s. He has a photo in his office of him standing next to it in his 70s flares. It was a road car but painted in the Works white/blue colours. He's been at our company all that time and retires in a couple of months.
QuadCamCapri said:
Nice, also had a Stardust RS31 in mid 90's which I believe was the last of the 18 in that colour. Bought it complete but in bits and never had time to do anything with it as I was too busy racing, so sold it on. White one in pic was also an RS31...
RJU last MOT'd in 85 and PKP in 1987 so both probably no more Edited by QuadCamCapri on Thursday 25th April 09:57
r5kdt said:
RJU last MOT'd in 85 and PKP in 1987 so both probably no more
PKP is definitely long gone, the roof was the only good bit !RJU, was taken off the road in 1985 by previous owner and stripped down, but was never restored. When I got it, it was in very good condition having been stored in a dry garage all that time. After I sold it I saw a pic of it at a Capri Show at Stoneleigh about 5 years later in around 2003, looking very grubby...
I then saw this on ebay around 2008 which could possibly be it, as it's still on the same dollies it was on when I got it. So maybe it lives on as a 'Group 2' Cologne Replica.....
QuadCamCapri said:
r5kdt said:
RJU last MOT'd in 85 and PKP in 1987 so both probably no more
PKP is definitely long gone, the roof was the only good bit !RJU, was taken off the road in 1985 by previous owner and stripped down, but was never restored. When I got it, it was in very good condition having been stored in a dry garage all that time. After I sold it I saw a pic of it at a Capri Show at Stoneleigh about 5 years later in around 2003, looking very grubby...
I then saw this on ebay around 2008 which could possibly be it, as it's still on the same dollies it was on when I got it. So maybe it lives on as a 'Group 2' Cologne Replica.....
QuadCamCapri said:
Yes the Ford Capri beat BMW in the ETCC in 1971 & 72, so BMW poached the Ford people to create the Batmobile in 1973 and beat Ford.
Despite Ford hiring drivers like Jackie Stewart, they struggled without the aero now homologated on the BMW's and had to wait for the RS3100 to be homologated in 1974.
Re the CSLs BAT spoiler kit, from my aging memory ( and il have to check my CSL archive papers ) it didn't first appear until the ill fated SPA 24 hours race in June 73. Despite Ford hiring drivers like Jackie Stewart, they struggled without the aero now homologated on the BMW's and had to wait for the RS3100 to be homologated in 1974.
The much heavier than the RS Capris, CSL, even with its feather weight, alloy bonnet, was still a very nose heavy car and they used to slide badly at the rear, which meant that they ate their rear tyres. The rear wing transformed the car and gave it the rear end stability that it so very badly needed.
But even with the BAT kit, the CSL would aquaplane badly in the wet, which is partly what caused Hans Peter Yoistens trajic / fatal accident @ Spa.
By early 73, the Capris and the CSL were putting out similar hp figures, but the CSLs complicated body structure, ensured that it was still well over 100kgs heavier.
This is the Brian Muir / H.P. Joisten
red Alpina CSL, after Joisten was hit in the drivers door by Roger Dubois Alfa GTA.
R.I.P both drivers.
Edited by neutral 3 on Saturday 27th April 00:14
Edited by neutral 3 on Saturday 27th April 00:19
neutral 3 said:
Re the CSLs BAT spoiler kit, from my aging memory ( and il have to check my CSL archive papers ) it didn't first appear until the ill fated SPA 24 hours race in June 73.
The much heavier than the RS Capris, CSL, even with its feather weight, alloy bonnet, was still a very nose heavy car and they used to slide badly at the rear, which meant that they ate their rear tyres. The rear wing transformed the car and gave it the rear end stability that it so very badly needed.
But even with the BAT kit, the CSL would aquaplane badly in the wet, which is partly what caused Hans Peter Yoistens trajic / fatal accident @ Spa.
By early 73, the Capris and the CSL were putting out similar hp figures, but the CSLs complicated body structure, was still well over 100kgs heavier.
This is Joistens red Alpina CSL after being hit in the drivers door by Roger Dubois Alfa GTA.
R.I.P both drivers.
The CSL looks such a delicate thing, I'd have assumed it was much lighter than a Capri.The much heavier than the RS Capris, CSL, even with its feather weight, alloy bonnet, was still a very nose heavy car and they used to slide badly at the rear, which meant that they ate their rear tyres. The rear wing transformed the car and gave it the rear end stability that it so very badly needed.
But even with the BAT kit, the CSL would aquaplane badly in the wet, which is partly what caused Hans Peter Yoistens trajic / fatal accident @ Spa.
By early 73, the Capris and the CSL were putting out similar hp figures, but the CSLs complicated body structure, was still well over 100kgs heavier.
This is Joistens red Alpina CSL after being hit in the drivers door by Roger Dubois Alfa GTA.
R.I.P both drivers.
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