Lotus Cortina You jest!
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www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Lotus-Cortina-MK2-1968/283...
Edited by Mercky on Wednesday 25th September 20:55
Shezbo said:
When I worked in a Ford Dealer bodyshop in the 80's and 90's...we re-shelled sooo many cars, several of which were RS's.
It was acceptable - then, why not now?
Only factory matching numbers originals make the big money. Some people want the same big money on just a logbook and replica. Nothing wrong with a re-shell but it just won’t be original It was acceptable - then, why not now?
Shezbo said:
When I worked in a Ford Dealer bodyshop in the 80's and 90's...we re-shelled sooo many cars, several of which were RS's.
It was acceptable - then, why not now?
I guess you were using brand new shells, which is fine. You cannot legally replace a shell with a second-hand one, which is what this appears to be, and keep the identity of the original vehicle. Plus the engine and gearbox are the Lotus type 907, and have nothing in common with the Lotus Ford twincam. As mentioned above, the only genuine part is the logbook.It was acceptable - then, why not now?
Well it got to £2,050 but didn't meet the reserve!
As has been said you are buying a MK2 Cortina shell, the "wrong" Lotus 16 valve engine and a Lotus Cortina V5 - but then look at what scabby MK1 Escort shells sell for.
But I suppose you could build it as a nice replica for less than a genuine one would cost so it should appeal to someone.
As has been said you are buying a MK2 Cortina shell, the "wrong" Lotus 16 valve engine and a Lotus Cortina V5 - but then look at what scabby MK1 Escort shells sell for.
But I suppose you could build it as a nice replica for less than a genuine one would cost so it should appeal to someone.
Mr Tidy said:
Well it got to £2,050 but didn't meet the reserve!
As has been said you are buying a MK2 Cortina shell, the "wrong" Lotus 16 valve engine and a Lotus Cortina V5 - but then look at what scabby MK1 Escort shells sell for.
But I suppose you could build it as a nice replica for less than a genuine one would cost so it should appeal to someone.
Let's face it, its a ringer. As has been said you are buying a MK2 Cortina shell, the "wrong" Lotus 16 valve engine and a Lotus Cortina V5 - but then look at what scabby MK1 Escort shells sell for.
But I suppose you could build it as a nice replica for less than a genuine one would cost so it should appeal to someone.
CanAm said:
Shezbo said:
When I worked in a Ford Dealer bodyshop in the 80's and 90's...we re-shelled sooo many cars, several of which were RS's.
It was acceptable - then, why not now?
I guess you were using brand new shells, which is fine. You cannot legally replace a shell with a second-hand one, which is what this appears to be, and keep the identity of the original vehicle.It was acceptable - then, why not now?
On a Ford of that era, the chassis number is stamped into the inner wing by the top mount, and you'll be hard pressed to find many cars of that era with their original inner wings, as the chassis number will need re-stamping into the new wings or top mount reinforcing plates.
Which if re-shelling with a good used different shell, is what you do, fit new inner wings and re-stamp.
I know of many Mk.2 Cortina's and Mk1 Escort thus rebuilt. I know of at least 2 x RS3100 Capri's restored with better condition 3.0 GXL shells.
Putting a 907 and a ZF into a Mk.2 Cortina shell is an interesting exercise though, motor mount fabrication will be interesting, and some reworking of a Mk.1 Escort 'works' type ZF tunnel and firewall will be reqd. I would think....or a very big hammer!
Yes effectively it's a ringer, but, how many Fords were reshelled in their day and shortly after, as they rotted or were crashed. I come from a time when rally cars were reshelled on a regular basis.
This however isn't just a reshell as it doesn't retain enough points (engine,gearbox shell etc change).
But again how many (historic) rally cars now have the same shell? Have the same engine (crossflow, Pinto or TC) rather than the more usual Duratec or whatever is the current preference.
And the seller has a piece of paper (Neville Chamberlain style) from I assume DVLA (the top is cut off) saying it can be registered as a Historic. It won't need to go to an MoT station.
Just saying like.....
And as a postscript, how many race Jaguars still use the original shell.......there was a long discussion years ago and I think a court case about two cars (or rather their respective owners) claiming originality. Or was that Bentleys? I don't suppose their are two Cortinas knocking about with the same reg. Or are there....?
This however isn't just a reshell as it doesn't retain enough points (engine,gearbox shell etc change).
But again how many (historic) rally cars now have the same shell? Have the same engine (crossflow, Pinto or TC) rather than the more usual Duratec or whatever is the current preference.
And the seller has a piece of paper (Neville Chamberlain style) from I assume DVLA (the top is cut off) saying it can be registered as a Historic. It won't need to go to an MoT station.
Just saying like.....
And as a postscript, how many race Jaguars still use the original shell.......there was a long discussion years ago and I think a court case about two cars (or rather their respective owners) claiming originality. Or was that Bentleys? I don't suppose their are two Cortinas knocking about with the same reg. Or are there....?
A ringer is a stolen car with the identity of a write off. This isn't. It's an honest description of what it is, a cheap kit of bits that can be built into a pretty smart old Ford to go acting the hooligan in on a weekend. The registration and VIN are out there so it's unlikely to be confused with a 'real' one.
Touring442 said:
A ringer is a stolen car with the identity of a write off. This isn't. It's an honest description of what it is, a cheap kit of bits that can be built into a pretty smart old Ford to go acting the hooligan in on a weekend. The registration and VIN are out there so it's unlikely to be confused with a 'real' one.
It's a shell of unknown provenance taking on the identity of a Lotus Cortina, no parts of which are included in the build. That's a ringer in my book. YMMVCanAm said:
Touring442 said:
A ringer is a stolen car with the identity of a write off. This isn't. It's an honest description of what it is, a cheap kit of bits that can be built into a pretty smart old Ford to go acting the hooligan in on a weekend. The registration and VIN are out there so it's unlikely to be confused with a 'real' one.
It's a shell of unknown provenance taking on the identity of a Lotus Cortina, no parts of which are included in the build. That's a ringer in my book. YMMVGassing Station | Classic Cars and Yesterday's Heroes | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff