Ford pre-crossflow engine
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anonymous-user

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83 months

Thursday 21st May 2020
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V10Mike

609 posts

235 months

Thursday 21st May 2020
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You can adjust the tappets at idle on any engine where the adjustment is on the rocker pedestal, like Chevy and Ford V8s, though you may get oil splash. If the adjustment is on the rocker tip, I do not see how any tool can help you?

You might get away with bumping it on the starter, until you've cycled through all the adjustment positions. I don't suppose there's a lot of valve overlap, so the exact position is not going to be very fussy.

alfaspecial

1,193 posts

169 months

Thursday 21st May 2020
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Not any sort of expert myself

Presumably the engine is one of these?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Kent_engine


If so: https://www.classicfordmag.co.uk/wp-content/upload...




Edited by alfaspecial on Thursday 21st May 12:30

10126 Torino

4,994 posts

108 months

Thursday 21st May 2020
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I am almost certain firing order is not 1 4 3 2.

I think it is 1 2 4 3 .

Googling Ford Kent engine firing order agrees .

9xxNick

1,159 posts

243 months

Thursday 21st May 2020
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Agreed on the firing order. To even the power pulses out on the crankshaft it would have to be either 1-3-4-2 or 1-2-4-3. Anything else would require the engine's crank to rotate through 360 degrees before the next power pulse, assuming the two outer and two inner cylinders move as pairs but are 360 degrees apart in the cycle.

Pantechnicon

1,248 posts

235 months

Thursday 21st May 2020
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It’s called Gunson click adjust And still available on the bay of evil

Equus

16,980 posts

130 months

Thursday 21st May 2020
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Pantechnicon said:
It’s called Gunson click adjust And still available on the bay of evil
The Gunson Click-adjust can't be used with the engine running, and still needs you to turn the engine so that each pushrod being adjusted is 'rocking', though, I thought?

Zener

19,433 posts

250 months

Thursday 21st May 2020
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Use the rotor arm position to give you cam lobe ref i.e get valve to adjust on full lift using starter motor watch rotor arm position keep flicking starter to alter rotor by 180 degrees then adjust that valve clearance , yes it's slow as in one at a time but the most accurate way of adjusting valve clearences compared to say "The rule of nine" etc

838HNK

605 posts

248 months

Saturday 23rd May 2020
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I fell into the firing order trap two weeks ago ... Ford Precrossflow is 1 2 4 3

This is mine ...





1300 Mk11 Cortina which is not very common as it has a Crossflow style five bearing crank and neoprene seal (not the pre crossflow cork thingy !!)




Zener

19,433 posts

250 months

Saturday 23rd May 2020
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Same firing order as X Flow then 1243

LimSlip

800 posts

83 months

Saturday 23rd May 2020
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Equus said:
The Gunson Click-adjust can't be used with the engine running, and still needs you to turn the engine so that each pushrod being adjusted is 'rocking', though, I thought?
Correct. The only real Click-adjust advantage was supposedly being able to accurately set clearance where the rocker tips are worn, which is next to impossible with conventional feeler gauges.

Mr Tidy

31,211 posts

156 months

Saturday 23rd May 2020
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Good luck OP. thumbup

My 1st car was a clapped out MK2 Cortina 1500 pre-crossflow and it was a hateful POS, but maybe that engine would work better in a boat - it was terrible in my car! laugh

Zener

19,433 posts

250 months

Friday 29th May 2020
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Must have some odd custom cam grind because the firing order should be 1-2-4-3 but if its running great biggrin

sideways man

1,666 posts

166 months

Friday 29th May 2020
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The following photos are taken from the Ford Manual for the 1500 pre cross flow.
First pic shows 1243 firing order, second pic shows the order to set valve clearance.
If you want any other technical data for this engine,let me know.


littleredrooster

6,357 posts

225 months

Friday 29th May 2020
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Hang on - in the road car, is the alternator & exhaust manifold not on the right? Which may mean that the marine version is set back-to-front, making no.1 cylinder actually no.4...ergo the firing order is 1-3-4-2 which is the mirror image of 1-2-4-3. Or have I got this compleeeetely wrong? smile

Lily the Pink

7,507 posts

199 months

Friday 29th May 2020
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littleredrooster said:
Hang on - in the road car, is the alternator & exhaust manifold not on the right? Which may mean that the marine version is set back-to-front, making no.1 cylinder actually no.4...ergo the firing order is 1-3-4-2 which is the mirror image of 1-2-4-3. Or have I got this compleeeetely wrong? smile
No - if you replace 1 with 4, 2 with 3, 3 with 2 and 4 with 1, you get 4-3-1-2, which is the same as 1-2-4-3.

Mr Tidy

31,211 posts

156 months

Friday 29th May 2020
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anonymous said:
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Alternator - that's flash!

My 1967 Cortina had a dynamo - and usually a pretty flat battery. rolleyes

But it's good to see your pre X-flow is running. thumbup


Edited by Mr Tidy on Monday 1st June 00:33

Huntsman

9,302 posts

279 months

Saturday 30th May 2020
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What boat is it?


anonymous-user

Original Poster:

83 months

Saturday 30th May 2020
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LimSlip said:
Equus said:
The Gunson Click-adjust can't be used with the engine running, and still needs you to turn the engine so that each pushrod being adjusted is 'rocking', though, I thought?
Correct. The only real Click-adjust advantage was supposedly being able to accurately set clearance where the rocker tips are worn, which is next to impossible with conventional feeler gauges.
Was that tool previously known as the SPQR tappet adjuster?

kev b

2,756 posts

195 months

Saturday 30th May 2020
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I have never owned a pre xflow Ford but had a few x flows. The rocker pads would wear heavily in the middle meaning a feeler gauge would bridge the gap and give a false reading.

We used to get around this by closing the clearance to zero then by knowing the pitch of the threads turn the adjuster screw back a certain amount which set your clearance spot on, compensating for all the wear in the valve train.