60 years of “progress”?
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Kondeeler said:
Are you both being deliberately obtuse?
Not at all, sorry if it came out that way. My point is that you've quoted 2 different mpg figures for 2 different cars, one significantly better (if extrapolated over the course of a year's use) than the other, and on 2 cars ~50 years apart in terms of manufactured date. Nobody will be surprised by that.Are you trying to highlight how good the Jaguar is? Or how bad the BMW is? Genuinely not sure. Nothing obtuse about that.
Kondeeler said:
My 1962 Jaguar Mk2, 3.4L has averaged 23.3mpg, over the last 450 miles of urban and dual carriageway. My 2008 BMW E93 325i (3.0L), has averaged 31.5mpg over much the same diztance route mix and speeds.
They call that “progress”!
As a 'car' though the BMW is a lot better in terms of safety, useability, reliability, overall performance, comfort etc etc. So yes the progress is huge, unless of course you choose to measure it by only one lense, in which case yeah, wheres the damn progress?They call that “progress”!
Turbobanana said:
Kondeeler said:
My 1962 Jaguar Mk2, 3.4L has averaged 23.3mpg, over the last 450 miles of urban and dual carriageway. My 2008 BMW E93 325i (3.0L), has averaged 31.5mpg over much the same diztance route mix and speeds.
They call that “progress”!
I'm sorry: what's your point?They call that “progress”!
Kondeeler said:
My 1962 Jaguar Mk2, 3.4L has averaged 23.3mpg, over the last 450 miles of urban and dual carriageway. My 2008 BMW E93 325i (3.0L), has averaged 31.5mpg over much the same diztance route mix and speeds.
They call that “progress”!
Why not use the Jag for all of your journeys then it the BMW isn't much of an improvement?They call that “progress”!
colin_p said:
If I had been about in 1962, I'd be very disappointed that car couldn't fly in 2020.
58 years is the difference.
Back from 1962, it would have been 1904, wasn't that the man with a red flag era?
Forward from 2020 that will be 2078, here's hoping for teleporters!
More likely to have the man with the red flag back again.58 years is the difference.
Back from 1962, it would have been 1904, wasn't that the man with a red flag era?
Forward from 2020 that will be 2078, here's hoping for teleporters!
Serious note- there tends to be progress, just not in the direction foretold. Take air travel- slower now than in 1970 (especially if you take time wasted at airports into account )- but hugely cheaper and (Covid apart) available to people who wouldn't have dreamed of flying then. The advances have been in range and economy at the expense of speed.
mac96 said:
More likely to have the man with the red flag back again.
Serious note- there tends to be progress, just not in the direction foretold. Take air travel- slower now than in 1970 (especially if you take time wasted at airports into account )- but hugely cheaper and (Covid apart) available to people who wouldn't have dreamed of flying then. The advances have been in range and economy at the expense of speed.
Maybe so, but here has been serious progress in other areas. Noise control, back in the 70's I lived near Gatwick, 707's, 111's were really loud, now your hardly notice stuff overhead, also, and quite importantly, I think I'm correct in saying that far fewer planes are falling out of the sky than was the case 60 years ago!Serious note- there tends to be progress, just not in the direction foretold. Take air travel- slower now than in 1970 (especially if you take time wasted at airports into account )- but hugely cheaper and (Covid apart) available to people who wouldn't have dreamed of flying then. The advances have been in range and economy at the expense of speed.
On the subject of cars, I guess someone will have the stats on how journey times compare, I suspect that is an area of no improvement!
So a 35% improvement, then?
Yes, I'd call that progress.
And of course, the fact that your BMW is a 12 year old smoker means that it's really 46 year's of progress, not 60. Come back in a couple of years and tell us how we're doing after 60, though I suspect that if you want to compare the state-of-the-art by then, you'll need to work out a conversion factor between mpg and kWh.
Yes, I'd call that progress.
And of course, the fact that your BMW is a 12 year old smoker means that it's really 46 year's of progress, not 60. Come back in a couple of years and tell us how we're doing after 60, though I suspect that if you want to compare the state-of-the-art by then, you'll need to work out a conversion factor between mpg and kWh.
There seems to have been a significant increase in "progress" in the last decade - the new G20 330i has some seriously impressive stats -
255 bhp, 300 lb/ft, top speed 155mph, 5.5 to 60 and 40 mpg average.
That'll annihilate a 1970 Miura SV, is more economical and cleaner than anything on sale for the next 30 years, will protect you better in a crash than a 10 year old S Class and should be fun to drive. Not quite a flying car but a pretty impressive rate of change for what by the time the Miura was launched, was already an 80 year old design.
255 bhp, 300 lb/ft, top speed 155mph, 5.5 to 60 and 40 mpg average.
That'll annihilate a 1970 Miura SV, is more economical and cleaner than anything on sale for the next 30 years, will protect you better in a crash than a 10 year old S Class and should be fun to drive. Not quite a flying car but a pretty impressive rate of change for what by the time the Miura was launched, was already an 80 year old design.
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