Precision measurement
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Equus

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16,980 posts

130 months

Tuesday 24th November 2020
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Dunno if this is the right forum, but since it relates to a Hillman Imp transaxle:

Could anyone recommend a company (preferably East Anglia, but not critical) who could take accurate measurements with a Faro arm or whatever of various points on a gearbox? Or possibly - better still - scan the entire transaxle assembly to an adequate level of accuracy, for reasonable cost?

Mr Teddy Bear

186 posts

220 months

Tuesday 24th November 2020
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What's wrong with a straight edge & a depth gauge?

You had better tell us what a Faro arm is as well while your at it.

Equus

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130 months

Tuesday 24th November 2020
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Mr Teddy Bear said:
What's wrong with a straight edge & a depth gauge?
Not accurate enough for my tastes (though it's a fallback position if I can't find anyone to do it better).

Mr Teddy Bear said:
You had better tell us what a Faro arm is as well while your at it.
It's one of these:


It allows very accurate measurement of 3D points (XYZ).

Yertis

19,705 posts

295 months

Tuesday 24th November 2020
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Equus said:
It's one of these:


It allows very accurate measurement of 3D points (XYZ).
Handy bit of kit, that I'd not heard of until two minutes ago.

Equus

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Tuesday 24th November 2020
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^^^ Image above edited because I'm willing to pay extra if the Engineer looks like the one now shown in my post. smile

ridds

8,371 posts

273 months

Tuesday 24th November 2020
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www.scanhd.co.uk

Give Darren a shout. Design Engineer buy trade so knows how to use his kit as well which can make a big difference to the scan quality.

mike9009

10,783 posts

272 months

Tuesday 24th November 2020
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There are many 3D scanning systems available - touch and non-touch.

I looked at a few systems about five years ago. The best visual system I found was GOM and there were several subcontract services available. We were scanning turbine wheels, so similar type stuff.


singlecoil

35,825 posts

275 months

Tuesday 24th November 2020
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Equus said:
^^^ Image above edited because I'm willing to pay extra if the Engineer looks like the one now shown in my post. smile
It's not even a genuine photo let alone a genuine engineer,

Fusion777

2,623 posts

77 months

Tuesday 24th November 2020
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A local precision machine shop will usually have a CMM for part inspection. Could be worth giving them a bell?

Equus

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Tuesday 24th November 2020
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ridds said:
www.scanhd.co.uk

Give Darren a shout. Design Engineer buy trade so knows how to use his kit as well which can make a big difference to the scan quality.
Perfect!

This is the sort of company I'm after, thanks. Don't suppose anyone knows of any similar companies closer to East Anglia (Norwich/Cambridge/King's Lynn)?


QuartzDad

2,951 posts

151 months

Tuesday 24th November 2020
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No knowledge of them, just Googled: https://www.dsnclassics.co.uk/s-can/

Legacywr

15,572 posts

217 months

Tuesday 24th November 2020
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Can’t see it being a cheap service...

Equus

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Tuesday 24th November 2020
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QuartzDad said:
No knowledge of them, just Googled: https://www.dsnclassics.co.uk/s-can/
Even more perfect! That'll do, thanks!

Legacywr said:
Can’t see it being a cheap service...
You may be right - only one way to find out, though.

I can live with just a point cloud if it's a 3D scan, mind you.

a8hex

5,832 posts

252 months

Tuesday 24th November 2020
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Equus said:
...but since it relates to a Hillman Imp transaxle:
Equus said:
Mr Teddy Bear said:
What's wrong with a straight edge & a depth gauge?
Not accurate enough for my tastes (though it's a fallback position if I can't find anyone to do it better).
Were the parts of an Imp's transaxle actually made to a greater precision than you can get with a decent depth gauge?

Equus

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Tuesday 24th November 2020
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a8hex said:
Were the parts of an Imp's transaxle actually made to a greater precision than you can get with a decent depth gauge?
It's more that it's a funny shape, and some of the bits I'm interested in are faces/tapped holes that are related to other faces/tappings at an odd angle to each other.

There would be ways around it with old-skool fabrication, using jigs, but the intention is to design CNC-machined billet components that go directly from CAD to metal, so I'd rather have data that I can rely on to give me a decent chance of getting it right first time.

V10Mike

609 posts

235 months

Wednesday 25th November 2020
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We use Zeiss in Rugby for CT scanning.

We also work with Fenland RP in Wisbech, who've recently got a CT scanner, but also have other metrology capability. Nick Osborn is a good guy, also knows all about rapid prototyping -he would be a good person to talk to. They have a specific service for rapid prototyping of automotive parts.

Edited by V10Mike on Wednesday 25th November 11:22

Ambleton

7,253 posts

221 months

Wednesday 25th November 2020
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Scanning is only as accurate as the person processing it and piecing together the information.

Weve had stuff scanned with a farrow before and some stuff comes out pretty good, (within probably 0.1mm), other really obvious stuff was miles out. Like multiple surfaces that are co-planar have >5mm misalignment.

Then once its it CAD you have to remodel over it and mirror curves and sections etc and get a "best fit". Scanning is great, don't get me wrong, but ots not an end all solution. Lots of manual measuring and verifying the data is required.

Equus

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Wednesday 25th November 2020
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Ambleton said:
Scanning is only as accurate as the person processing it and piecing together the information.
Yeah, that's kind of why my starting point was measurement with a Faro arm.

A point cloud scanned model would be nice, but it's the relationship between a small number of key planes/tappings that are critical.

Legacywr

15,572 posts

217 months

Wednesday 25th November 2020
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Equus said:
It's more that it's a funny shape, and some of the bits I'm interested in are faces/tapped holes that are related to other faces/tappings at an odd angle to each other.

There would be ways around it with old-skool fabrication, using jigs, but the intention is to design CNC-machined billet components that go directly from CAD to metal, so I'd rather have data that I can rely on to give me a decent chance of getting it right first time.
Blimey, how much are you spending on this Imp?... biggrin

It must be a bit special?

Equus

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Wednesday 25th November 2020
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Legacywr said:
Blimey, how much are you spending on this Imp?... biggrin

It must be a bit special?
It's not going in an Imp.

And yes, it is. tongue out