Ferrari 250 GTE barn find: Sells for 110K
Ferrari 250 GTE barn find: Sells for 110K
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Milkyway

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Saturday 9th July 2022
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CarCrazyDad

4,280 posts

56 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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Anyone who pays £110k for that is genuinely too rich to exist

At least the advert is good :-)

Be interesting to see what they do with it

ettore

4,761 posts

273 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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Aye, way too much - 250 GTE’s are perfectly nice period pieces and they never deserved to be cut and shut to make fake SWB’s and GTO’s but they ain’t that special.

Milkyway

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Saturday 9th July 2022
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Unless the buyer bought the other rolling chassis as well.
( Wasn’t much left of this one really).

NB: 69 bids & Hammer fell at £97,800... yikes
( So a decent bidding war it seems)


Edited by Milkyway on Saturday 9th July 01:38

john2443

6,485 posts

232 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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Milkyway said:
Unless the buyer bought the other rolling chassis as well.
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66k for the chassis, no engine or box.eek

LotusOmega375D

8,993 posts

174 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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The advert listing mentions the original owner’s successive GTE, also registered XCH 555. That one was rebuilt as this in the 1980s. It was styled like the 4 cylinder Count Donhoff 500 TRC, but obviously with the 250 V12 engine. We knew the guy who commissioned the build (I think the same company was restoring the Donhoff car at the same time) I washed it once ca. 1990. It’s gorgeous.



If you want the original 500 TRC, it’s up for auction at Monterrey next month. Estimate $8m - $10m.



https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale...

Milkyway

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Saturday 9th July 2022
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LotusOmega375D said:
The advert listing mentions the original owner’s successive GTE, also registered XCH 555. That one was rebuilt as this in the 1980s. It was styled like the 4 cylinder Count Donhoff 500 TRC, but obviously with the 250 V12 engine. We knew the guy who commissioned the build (I think the same company was restoring the Donhoff car at the same time) I washed it once ca. 1990. It’s gorgeous.



If you want the original 500 TRC, it’s up for auction at Monterrey next month. Estimate $8m - $10m.



https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale...
Nice 250 GT in the same auction. ( £531,609)
https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/ferrar...

Edited by Milkyway on Saturday 9th July 10:44

Milkyway

Original Poster:

11,712 posts

74 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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LotusOmega375D said:
The advert listing mentions the original owner’s successive GTE, also registered XCH 555. That one was rebuilt as this in the 1980s. It was styled like the 4 cylinder Count Donhoff 500 TRC, but obviously with the 250 V12 engine. We knew the guy who commissioned the build (I think the same company was restoring the Donhoff car at the same time) I washed it once ca. 1990. It’s gorgeous.



If you want the original 500 TRC, it’s up for auction at Monterrey next month. Estimate $8m - $10m.



https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale...
Nice 250 GT in the same auction. ( £531,609)
https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/ferrar...

Edited by Milkyway on Saturday 9th July 10:48

skwdenyer

18,511 posts

261 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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CarCrazyDad said:
Anyone who pays £110k for that is genuinely too rich to exist

At least the advert is good :-)

Be interesting to see what they do with it
The question is, how much would it cost to restore? Minters are making ~£400k, aren't they? Even if you threw £200k at the project then, in today's market, you'd be quids-in I'd have thought.

thegreenhell

21,220 posts

240 months

Saturday 9th July 2022
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I don't think £200k would go very far on that restoration. I think it's more likely to simply donate its chassis plate to a new GTO or SWB replica, sadly.

skwdenyer

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Saturday 9th July 2022
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thegreenhell said:
I don't think £200k would go very far on that restoration. I think it's more likely to simply donate its chassis plate to a new GTO or SWB replica, sadly.
In 2006, it was reckoned your could do a replica (including buying a 250GTE donor for $75k) for $400k per https://ferraris-online.com/building-a-replica-250...

That article reckoned $35k upwards to do an all-new body.

Against that, I can see GTO Engineering charge $1m for a "new" 250 GTO.

My rough guess is a restoration *would* be cost-effective, but why would you? There are plenty more GTEs out there. So I suspect (sadly) you're right.

Milkyway

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thegreenhell said:
I don't think £200k would go very far on that restoration. I think it's more likely to simply donate its chassis plate to a new GTO or SWB replica, sadly.
I think that’s what the ad hinted at... looks rotten as a pear & devoid of a few bits too.


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CarCrazyDad

4,280 posts

56 months

Sunday 10th July 2022
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skwdenyer said:
The question is, how much would it cost to restore? Minters are making ~£400k, aren't they? Even if you threw £200k at the project then, in today's market, you'd be quids-in I'd have thought.
I don't think 200k on a car you can't buy off the shelf parts for anymore would go enough. That car sold is never going to drive again. As the next poster says I'd suspect they want it for the chassis number.

One Shot

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156 months

Sunday 10th July 2022
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The value is in the identity. A few parts could be the basis for, say, a 250 SWB 'special'. At least it would still be registered as a Ferrari 250. Could be a very shrewd purchase.

thegreenhell

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240 months

Sunday 10th July 2022
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It's exactly the sort of thing that GTO Engineering use for their SWB Revival recreations. They say they use the identities of 250 and 330 that are beyond repair. If they can actually reuse any of the parts or sell them on then that's just a bonus. The value is in the identity for getting the new car registered.

aeropilot

39,210 posts

248 months

Monday 11th July 2022
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One Shot said:
The value is in the identity. A few parts could be the basis for, say, a 250 SWB 'special'. At least it would still be registered as a Ferrari 250. Could be a very shrewd purchase.
yes


ZiggyNiva

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207 months

Monday 11th July 2022
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thegreenhell said:
It's exactly the sort of thing that GTO Engineering use for their SWB Revival recreations. They say they use the identities of 250 and 330 that are beyond repair. If they can actually reuse any of the parts or sell them on then that's just a bonus. The value is in the identity for getting the new car registered.
This is probably a really stupid question, so apologies in advance, but is that actually any different to ringing just on the guise of a legitimate business? I accept i'm probably completely missing the point.

Austin_Metro

1,421 posts

69 months

Monday 11th July 2022
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ZiggyNiva said:
This is probably a really stupid question, so apologies in advance, but is that actually any different to ringing just on the guise of a legitimate business? I accept i'm probably completely missing the point.
Similar point to ziggy.

I know nothing about this stuff, but If the chassis no is virtually the only part left, then how is this the old car at all?

If you used the engine and a bit of chassis, I could see it, with my generous glasses on.


n3il123

2,754 posts

234 months

Monday 11th July 2022
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I thought the term ringing was buy an identity from a write off and applying it to a stolen car as opposed to creating something new?

ZiggyNiva

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207 months

Monday 11th July 2022
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n3il123 said:
I thought the term ringing was buy an identity from a write off and applying it to a stolen car as opposed to creating something new?
My understanding was it was more generally a way of making out a car wasn't what it said it was. So for example using it as the basis of a kit car so you didn't have to pass an IVA etc.