Drugland programme
Discussion
Fact:over 90% of crime in the UK is drug related.
Some hard-hitting revelations as to what is really going on with (mostly)young ppl,drug culture & crime is sorely needed to open a ppls' eyes.Well done BBC2 makers.
It is only Very recently that the Govt have realised that bunging a few quid at a bunch of well-meaning lentilists isn't going to solve this problem.
Some hard-hitting revelations as to what is really going on with (mostly)young ppl,drug culture & crime is sorely needed to open a ppls' eyes.Well done BBC2 makers.
It is only Very recently that the Govt have realised that bunging a few quid at a bunch of well-meaning lentilists isn't going to solve this problem.
This was probably one of the most disturbing programs I have seen in a long time. The sight of a junkie shooting up in his crappy house, whilst trying to remember who he owes money to for drugs will stay with me for a long time.
Well done BBC2 for showing both sides of the drugs culture, from those for whom it is merely an occasional recreation to those whose life it has taken over and is in the process of destroying.
Don't forget, there's another part on tonight at 9.
Well done BBC2 for showing both sides of the drugs culture, from those for whom it is merely an occasional recreation to those whose life it has taken over and is in the process of destroying.
Don't forget, there's another part on tonight at 9.
Will have to tape that as I will be out and about in lovely portsmouth!!! Oh the joy! 
It was a really disturbing programme though, the sight of those children doing weed in a playground really disturbed me. That coupled with the fact that the dealer in the mini was driving around, blatently stoned. Really a very worrying programme.
It was a really disturbing programme though, the sight of those children doing weed in a playground really disturbed me. That coupled with the fact that the dealer in the mini was driving around, blatently stoned. Really a very worrying programme.
The biggest problems in this country don't stem from illicit street drugs, but from alcohol.
I can say this with some conviction, as Mrs Dibble has worked in this field for the last 20 years or so, both here and abroad. I can't remember the exact amounts, but the government spends 4-5 times on "drugs" than it does on alcohol.
Unfortunately, as alcohol is socially "acceptable" and produces tax £££, it's not seen as a problem by those holding the purse strings.
Ever wonder why there's no cops to come to your burglary? In the town centre, scrapping with drunks.
Long NHS waiting lists? Money spent in A&E patching up drunks, and treating all the alcohol related illnesses and diseases.
There are far fewer drug addicts in this country than there are alcoholics.
OK, this is all a little over simplified I know, but I could go on for ages in intimate detail about alcohol not drugs being what we should be worrying about.
And the bad news from Mrs D is that we are only just beginning to see the start of the Crack problem that's exploded in North America...
I can say this with some conviction, as Mrs Dibble has worked in this field for the last 20 years or so, both here and abroad. I can't remember the exact amounts, but the government spends 4-5 times on "drugs" than it does on alcohol.
Unfortunately, as alcohol is socially "acceptable" and produces tax £££, it's not seen as a problem by those holding the purse strings.
Ever wonder why there's no cops to come to your burglary? In the town centre, scrapping with drunks.
Long NHS waiting lists? Money spent in A&E patching up drunks, and treating all the alcohol related illnesses and diseases.
There are far fewer drug addicts in this country than there are alcoholics.
OK, this is all a little over simplified I know, but I could go on for ages in intimate detail about alcohol not drugs being what we should be worrying about.
And the bad news from Mrs D is that we are only just beginning to see the start of the Crack problem that's exploded in North America...
Highly worrying TBH, an insight into how drugs destroy lives and the communities involved.
What amazes me though, and does rather wind me up, is the fact that the people who make these documentaries know who the drug dealers are, they've filmed them, they know exactly what they're up to, and yet they don't get the dealers prosecuted and the users into therapy? it's one thing to reveal the problem, but surely the next step should be to do something about it, and quickly.
Then again, maybe it's just the way we see everything in this world and current affairs nowadays - apathetically, through a videocamera
What amazes me though, and does rather wind me up, is the fact that the people who make these documentaries know who the drug dealers are, they've filmed them, they know exactly what they're up to, and yet they don't get the dealers prosecuted and the users into therapy? it's one thing to reveal the problem, but surely the next step should be to do something about it, and quickly.
Then again, maybe it's just the way we see everything in this world and current affairs nowadays - apathetically, through a videocamera
I found the first one about the London Coke scene very surprising as it was very civilised and middle class... No violence or problems, which is actually a bit of a worry, as it looked acceptable. Powerful.
Yesterdays programme was much more what I expected with Herion and crack dealers living in squalor and having very sad lives. Much healthier in respect to the message that the programme gave about the perils of drug abuse.
Ahem, Anyone got the number of dial a gram?
Yesterdays programme was much more what I expected with Herion and crack dealers living in squalor and having very sad lives. Much healthier in respect to the message that the programme gave about the perils of drug abuse.
Ahem, Anyone got the number of dial a gram?
phatgixer said:
Ahem, Anyone got the number of dial a gram?
Try 0800 555 111, or the Dial a gram website...
phatgixer said:
I found the first one about the London Coke scene very surprising as it was very civilised and middle class... No violence or problems, which is actually a bit of a worry, as it looked acceptable. Powerful.
Did anyone listen to "Start the week" with Andrew Marr on R4 on Monday ?- had a discussion with an advocate for legalising Cocaine - stating it would reduce crime as gangsters distribution £ margin would disappearif disributed legally. I wasn't totally convinced either way
- but I'd be interested in any views from BiB's on here......would decriminalisation of a Class A (but less harmful than heroin) drug like Coke reduce drug-related crime ?
vixpy1 said:
I found the first one about the London Coke scene very surprising as it was very civilised and middle class...
The city, suburbs and counties surrounding london are riddled with the stuff.
Yeah, it is right a pain in the arse. I reckon I lose hundreds of man hours every month from my sales and marketing staff arsing about with the poison...
>> Edited by phatgixer on Thursday 6th January 13:47
vixpy1 said:
- but I'd be interested in any views from BiB's on here......would decriminalisation of a Class A (but less harmful than heroin) drug like Coke reduce drug-related crime ?
Yes, but you can very easily make crack from coke...
Wouldn't it depend on how much it was taxed? The government just loves to tax things that are bad for us.
A very interesting series. On balance my opinions have altered slightly, and been reinforced. Much tougher action on the Mr Bigs - life sentences for the millionaire barons. More police resources, proper help, regular compulsory testing for the weak-minded addicts who seem to get sucked in so easily. Facinating to see figures put to the extent drugs cause crime in the UK.
Dibble's comments on alcohol were also very thought-provoking.
Dibble's comments on alcohol were also very thought-provoking.
cliffe_mafia said:
alfaman said:
- but I'd be interested in any views from BiB's on here......would decriminalisation of a Class A (but less harmful than heroin) drug like Coke reduce drug-related crime ?
Yes, but you can very easily make crack from coke...
Wouldn't it depend on how much it was taxed? The government just loves to tax things that are bad for us.
but Crack is powerfully addictive (MUCH more so than Coke ...I think) and can drive violent behaviour - so not good to legalise perhaps
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