With employees like this, who needs Red Robbo?
Discussion
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4160447.stm
Still, if she gets nowhere with the tediously inevitable human rights claim, she could always join the Paras.
I believe they offer a battlefield creche.
Gawd 'elp us.
Still, if she gets nowhere with the tediously inevitable human rights claim, she could always join the Paras.
I believe they offer a battlefield creche.
Gawd 'elp us.
Her contract with BA said:FFS you know the rules, it's your choice
airline limits part-time work to 75% in cases where a pilot's experience falls short of the required number of flying hours.
I think I might have to have a word with my boss, complain about my work being dull. I mean, it's just not the exciting world of statistics and computers I expected
And I want to halve my working hours, it's my right as a workshy gobshite
derestrictor said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4160447.stm
Still, if she gets nowhere with the tediously inevitable human rights claim, she could always join the Paras.
I believe they offer a battlefield creche.
Gawd 'elp us.
Bugger - I was going to post that one up later! Git...
Saw it in the local rag here and noticed that it just didnt add up. I mean, the bint wants to go part time, but her position (as pilot) requires a minimum number of hours to retain her clasification. Failure to keep the hours up and its re-test and re-examination (which is VERY expensive). So, I would quite rightly say to her, 75% working hours or its Bye-bye. Since at less than this she would be incapable of fulfilling her duties under her current job....
However, that said - she cant be that daft, can she? I mean, thats the deal but still wants to fight it? What, is she trying to get fired? More to this than meets the eye in my belief.
The worlds gone mad I tells ya....
IIRC after a baby they have to hold the SAME job open for her, I believe it is not yet the right of the employee to tell the employer when they work.
I also believe that in the near future the employee will be able to dictate when they want to work and families will have preference over people without children. So look out families wil want to work 10 til 2 and the rest of us will work early mornings and evenings.
I also believe that in the near future the employee will be able to dictate when they want to work and families will have preference over people without children. So look out families wil want to work 10 til 2 and the rest of us will work early mornings and evenings.
voyds9 said:
IIRC after a baby they have to hold the SAME job open for her, I believe it is not yet the right of the employee to tell the employer when they work.
I also believe that in the near future the employee will be able to dictate when they want to work and families will have preference over people without children. So look out families wil want to work 10 til 2 and the rest of us will work early mornings and evenings.
I cant quite remember the legal bits, but its my understanding that you can ask for a change in hours. But its not directly enforced. As an employee you have the right for holiday (dependant on what you are given) and some extra "family" time which can be unpaid. But beyond that, if your job requires you to be there at a particular time then you have to be there for that - i.e. working in a shop 9-5 - electing to try for 6-1 aint going to work (unless its Tescos of course).
Ah, found it:
Government help website said:
From 6 April 2003 eligible parents of children aged under six, or of disabled children aged under eighteen, have the right to apply to work flexibly providing they have qualifying length of service. Employers have a statutory duty to consider their applications seriously.
This new right will enable mothers and fathers to request to work flexibly. It aims to encourage both employees and employers to find solutions that suit them both. The employee has a responsibility to think carefully about their desired working pattern when considering making an application, and the employer is required to follow a specific procedure to ensure applications to work flexibly are considered seriously. A sample application to work form, that employees can use to make an application under this right if they wish, has been provided to help with this process.
The right does not provide an automatic right to work flexibly, as there will always be circumstances when the employer is unable to accommodate the employee's desired work pattern.
Available from www.tiger.gov.uk/flexible/index.htm
" The co-pilot, who joined BA in May 2001, told the tribunal she and her husband worked "extremely irregular" shift patterns, which meant very early starts, late finishes and overnight stays abroad which made it difficult for them to care for their young daughter. "
Jesus Christ on a pushbike what the hell did she think the job entailed when she signed up.
I have a good friend who has self financed his way to a comercial pilots licence to the tune of £70,000 and he would beat this woman to death to get a chance at the job she holds .
Form an orderly line now you wanna be pilot types
Jesus Christ on a pushbike what the hell did she think the job entailed when she signed up.
I have a good friend who has self financed his way to a comercial pilots licence to the tune of £70,000 and he would beat this woman to death to get a chance at the job she holds .
Form an orderly line now you wanna be pilot types
greg_D said:
and women are surprised when no-one will bloody employ them, this is precisely why i won't employ women of child bearing age. They are fine when they start but after they have pushed their brain out with the squealer they are an absolute nightmare.
Greg
Bang on. Women, your doing yourselves out of your own hard-won benefits.
Oh, and just remembered - depending on what route they fly, yes its pretty irregular, but it can hardly be classified as "hard". Brother-in-law is a pilot and he works probably something like 14 days a month.... OK, so some of those days will be three at a stretch, but then he will have something like 1 week off...... couchy number if you ask me...
P.S. Mind you he did work Christmas and Boxing days this year so its not all roses...
P.S. Mind you he did work Christmas and Boxing days this year so its not all roses...
she knew what she was letting herself in for when she took the job, shirley she considered the potential job implications when her and her husband took the decision to have a child?
IMO she has precluded herself from being employed in her current position by announcing the hours she wants to work while knowing they will be incompatible with the job
why not take a break from her job, re-qualify (or whatever the term is) and then go back to it?
or alternatively if the job is so important, buy the bigger house (as mentioned, for the nanny), let the husband care for the child, or employ a childminder!
choose!
>> Edited by minimax on Monday 10th January 18:22
IMO she has precluded herself from being employed in her current position by announcing the hours she wants to work while knowing they will be incompatible with the job
why not take a break from her job, re-qualify (or whatever the term is) and then go back to it?
or alternatively if the job is so important, buy the bigger house (as mentioned, for the nanny), let the husband care for the child, or employ a childminder!
choose! >> Edited by minimax on Monday 10th January 18:22
greg_D said:
and women are surprised when no-one will bloody employ them, this is precisely why i won't employ women of child bearing age. They are fine when they start but after they have pushed their brain out with the squealer they are an absolute nightmare.
Greg
I seem to recall reading some new legislashit recently that says by 2006 a certain percentage of your workforce MUST be women of child-bearing age.
Or was it black one-armed lesbians, I forget now...
wedg1e said:
I seem to recall reading some new legislashit recently that says by 2006 a certain percentage of your workforce MUST be women of child-bearing age.
Or was it black one-armed lesbians, I forget now...
Just the thin end of the wedge, Ian (dear me, I do apologise).
Reminds me of that Spitting Image scene from years ago: Neil Kinnock & Royston Dribblesley in the back of a car and the merits of kissing babies for mindless political PR.
{Gruff voice of the valley}"Red ones, black ones, yellow ones; always singing, always dancing."
In other words, arse.
Right I'm orf, toodles.
off or have the child adopted.The worst bit for me is that BA actualy paid some of the costs(possibly all) towards her training. Probably a posistive discriminaton thing.
Oh the Irony
Wonder if they will sponcer any more women. IMO she is letting every other woman down.
>> Edited by pesty on Monday 10th January 20:05
Oh the Irony
Wonder if they will sponcer any more women. IMO she is letting every other woman down.
>> Edited by pesty on Monday 10th January 20:05
vixpy1 said:
Do people not get that ..
Its her choice so why should everyone else have to work round it!
Hmm. Looks like I'm the only one who has some sympathy for her.
Trouble is, Vixpy, not having children has consequences, as well.
People like me who haven't had kids will still want someone to look after us when we're old, will still want some one to provide the police and armed forces and doctors and nurses etc etc of the future, and I dont see why I shouldn't contribute while the people who do have kids are expected to pay to provide society with its future population and workers.
If no-one has kids anymore, we all die, so I reckon those consequences are more serious.
I'm sure that woman could easily transferred to short haul flights and be home every night, just like my airline pilot mate is. I know there's more to it than that, but it's still probably fairly straight forward.
I was reading the 'bank has dumped me' thread before this one. It wasn't all that long ago when banks sacked their female employees as soon as they got married. I'm sure when they proposed to stop that there were people expressing the same sort of views as has been expressed here.
I don't see a problem with this case. Two people have had a child. Both people are equally responsible for its welfare. One of them has volunteered to work part time to accomodate the childs needs. The airline has to play its part in society along with all of us. It shouldn't have any trouble doing so, it just needs a more enlightened management team instead of the dinosaurs it currently has.
>> Edited by heebeegeetee on Monday 10th January 21:00
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