24 hr drinking
Discussion
whats you views on the 24 hr drinking laws which come in feb.i know it is up to the bars wether they want to stay open 24 7 but what effect will it have on society like for instance going in to a city shopping and a load of pi$$ heads on all nighters being abusive to the general public . because it will happen.the police will have a task on their hands if this takes effect.
the only one good point I can see is that you wont get all the people falling out on the streets at the same time,closing time. people will disappear in dribs and drabs.
Know what you mean about people getting abused while shopping etc but cant they already, go on a session at 1100 I am well on my way but 1115
while peopel are still about shopping. easy to police mind when all are coming out at same time even though theres possible more trouble at these times.
Its a difficult one, A lad I work with owns a pub which his Miss's runs he's dead against it, along with alot of other landlords.
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Know what you mean about people getting abused while shopping etc but cant they already, go on a session at 1100 I am well on my way but 1115
while peopel are still about shopping. easy to police mind when all are coming out at same time even though theres possible more trouble at these times. Its a difficult one, A lad I work with owns a pub which his Miss's runs he's dead against it, along with alot of other landlords.
BB
Up to 6 months of chaios, loads of people late/drunk at work, then it'll calm down as its not new any more, and there will be less volance etc at closing time, as people will be tired when they go home, not p155ed off at getting kicked out.
When I lived at home (Edinburgh -about 12.30 closing), when we went mid-week drinking, we almost always left before closing time, and if we didn't, the next day was going to be very hard going. Since I came down here (Oxford), mid-week drinking (infact, any-night drinking) seems to be a race to drink X many pints before you are forced to go home -no later than you would go to bed anyway! I think 24 hours is overkill, and just spin put on by the government to make a bigger deal out of the whole thing.
I recon that better way of implementing this would be if closing was changed by, say 1/2 an hour now, then the same again in 2 years time, thus there would be less of a "we can drink and drink and drink all night now" attitude, which will take some time to overcome initially.
Also, due to the publisity of 24 hour drinking, I think many landlords will have trouble come there chosen closing time, as many (drunk) people will want to argue that they can drink all night.
Cheers,
Pete
When I lived at home (Edinburgh -about 12.30 closing), when we went mid-week drinking, we almost always left before closing time, and if we didn't, the next day was going to be very hard going. Since I came down here (Oxford), mid-week drinking (infact, any-night drinking) seems to be a race to drink X many pints before you are forced to go home -no later than you would go to bed anyway! I think 24 hours is overkill, and just spin put on by the government to make a bigger deal out of the whole thing.
I recon that better way of implementing this would be if closing was changed by, say 1/2 an hour now, then the same again in 2 years time, thus there would be less of a "we can drink and drink and drink all night now" attitude, which will take some time to overcome initially.
Also, due to the publisity of 24 hour drinking, I think many landlords will have trouble come there chosen closing time, as many (drunk) people will want to argue that they can drink all night.
Cheers,
Pete
I can see the pros and cons.
You can get pi$$ heads on the streets anyway, with pubs being open from 11am and shops selling alcohol 24/7.
It may encourage slightly earlier drinking but there would be less pressure to binge drink during opening hours and of course fewer people on the streets at closing time.
When I was in spain most clubs were open at 7am and one til 8am. It wasn't abused there as far as I saw.
You can get pi$$ heads on the streets anyway, with pubs being open from 11am and shops selling alcohol 24/7.
It may encourage slightly earlier drinking but there would be less pressure to binge drink during opening hours and of course fewer people on the streets at closing time.
When I was in spain most clubs were open at 7am and one til 8am. It wasn't abused there as far as I saw.
anonymous said:
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But there is a different culture to drinking in Europe for most people. I have hardly ever seen people getting completely wasted when on holiday, though that's because I avoid any where which the UK likes ! All that is going to happen is people are going to drink more and more because they have already got past the point where they realise that they've had enough.
I don't understand that way of drinking. I drink, I get merry (as some of you may have whitnessed!) but I also know when I need to stop. I've never been sick because of alcohol and never wish to be.
Why people want to because vile, agressive and then suffer in the morning is beyond me!
Why people want to because vile, agressive and then suffer in the morning is beyond me!
Yeh, I have to agree about the race to drink as much as possible before last orders - what is the point?
If we had 24 hour drinking however I think that this would stop some people, but I am sure that a lot of daft people would just drink even more pints as they have a longer time in which to do it.
Saying that though, I enjoy very late nights so longer opening hours would suit me fine, 24 hour drinking however, not so sure about that!
If we had 24 hour drinking however I think that this would stop some people, but I am sure that a lot of daft people would just drink even more pints as they have a longer time in which to do it.
Saying that though, I enjoy very late nights so longer opening hours would suit me fine, 24 hour drinking however, not so sure about that!
-DeaDLocK- said:
But a large proportion of Spaniards don't go out to get pissed. They have a couple of drinks but for the most part remain sober (or at least bipedal).
In this country however...
Yeah but maybe its because of the laws and we will behave in a similar fashion to Europe once the rules change. I reckon that will be the case. People tend to behave more like adults when you stop treating them like kids.
You also don't get that cramming in of last rounds either which can spell the downfall for everyone in the group!
anonymous said:
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I'm not even sure its about rebellion, more absolution of responsibility. When people make rules for you, you tend to assume that the mandated limits etc are safe limits under all conditions. There is a similar argument with respect to the over regulation of roads and setting speed limits too low.
I'm all for the late drinking thing. I'm kind of used to it already cause all our pubs do lock-ins if it's not to busy (the joy's of living in a very little town!)
From a personal point of view, it'll be good that we don't have to hide behind locked doors and big thick red curtains anymore just because we fancy a beer after 11, we're adults FFS!!
The whole licensing laws thing is ridiculous anyway, it's turned half our nation into a bunch of yobish "spoiling for a fight" pricks. If you go anywhere else in Europe where the pubs/bars are open till whenever then it's a much more relaxed attitude instead of the "sh*t, five to 11, must buy 4 pints quick" situation we have here.
Read the other day, that Yates boss (forget his name) is totally opposed to the idea, wonder why? Could it be that most of his business comes from people piling into his chav-dens for a late beer, and that when the 24hr thing comes in then people won't need to squash into a crowded sh*thole and get attitude from the bouncers because your wearing the wrong shade of jeans!
As adults I think we deserve the right to choose, as a nation I hope we don't
it up!
>> Edited by _dan_ on Sunday 16th January 10:07
From a personal point of view, it'll be good that we don't have to hide behind locked doors and big thick red curtains anymore just because we fancy a beer after 11, we're adults FFS!!
The whole licensing laws thing is ridiculous anyway, it's turned half our nation into a bunch of yobish "spoiling for a fight" pricks. If you go anywhere else in Europe where the pubs/bars are open till whenever then it's a much more relaxed attitude instead of the "sh*t, five to 11, must buy 4 pints quick" situation we have here.
Read the other day, that Yates boss (forget his name) is totally opposed to the idea, wonder why? Could it be that most of his business comes from people piling into his chav-dens for a late beer, and that when the 24hr thing comes in then people won't need to squash into a crowded sh*thole and get attitude from the bouncers because your wearing the wrong shade of jeans!
As adults I think we deserve the right to choose, as a nation I hope we don't
it up! >> Edited by _dan_ on Sunday 16th January 10:07
Well there is no need for us to be back at our lathes at 730am anymore so 77 years later they decide to make a change. Its about par really. The government is usually about 60 years behind the will of the people.
This kind of debate really does make you wonder at the mentality of those who lead. They seem to be worried about binge drinking and so are objecting to differential opening. Well duh. If you make it available 24/7 and the same price everywhere you will get rid of binge drinking.
This kind of debate really does make you wonder at the mentality of those who lead. They seem to be worried about binge drinking and so are objecting to differential opening. Well duh. If you make it available 24/7 and the same price everywhere you will get rid of binge drinking.
I enjoy a drink, but I know my limits and don't like getting drunk.
Problem is, in this country of little brain or common sense, a lot of people drink simply to breach those limits and get utterly blasted. The only places with a drinking culture like this (getting drunk as opposed to enjoying a drink) are the UK, Ireland, Australia and Russia.
I have some proper binge-drinker friends (as do all people my age I'm sure!) and their mentality is not 'cram as many in before closing time', but 'pick the one that opens latest and play Russian Roulette with your liver'.
Problem with the ideas on 24 hour drinking in this country is that they're theoretical and based on other countries. In the clubs in the Brit-holiday ghettoes, where they're open till 8am, who is it starting fights, passing out through intoxication and painting the pavements? British tourists. That's what would happen here.
What I reckon should happen, to avoid the problems with chucking-out time, is to have staggered closing times, but doormen to ensure that no-one is admitted say, an hour before last orders. As a result, people drinking in a pub that closes at 11:30 won't be able just to move on to the one that closes at 12:30, they'll just have to go home. Maybe if they did it by 'zone' so the central ones close earliest and the hardcore drinkers are dissipated outwards from city centres then that would work.
Then there's the problem of clubs - they have to be open late. Maybe they just need tougher policing.
In short, no, I don't think 24-hour drinking will be a good thing in this country, but the licensing laws do need looking into.
Problem is, in this country of little brain or common sense, a lot of people drink simply to breach those limits and get utterly blasted. The only places with a drinking culture like this (getting drunk as opposed to enjoying a drink) are the UK, Ireland, Australia and Russia.
I have some proper binge-drinker friends (as do all people my age I'm sure!) and their mentality is not 'cram as many in before closing time', but 'pick the one that opens latest and play Russian Roulette with your liver'.
Problem with the ideas on 24 hour drinking in this country is that they're theoretical and based on other countries. In the clubs in the Brit-holiday ghettoes, where they're open till 8am, who is it starting fights, passing out through intoxication and painting the pavements? British tourists. That's what would happen here.
What I reckon should happen, to avoid the problems with chucking-out time, is to have staggered closing times, but doormen to ensure that no-one is admitted say, an hour before last orders. As a result, people drinking in a pub that closes at 11:30 won't be able just to move on to the one that closes at 12:30, they'll just have to go home. Maybe if they did it by 'zone' so the central ones close earliest and the hardcore drinkers are dissipated outwards from city centres then that would work.
Then there's the problem of clubs - they have to be open late. Maybe they just need tougher policing.
In short, no, I don't think 24-hour drinking will be a good thing in this country, but the licensing laws do need looking into.
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