'spoons bans smoking
Discussion
I know there is a mixed opinion on this topic here, but for me this is great news.
I stopped going to pubs completely as I was truly sick of arriving home stinking, my clothes and hair smelling and would have to either get a shower straight away or change all my bed linen and air my duvet out the next day to get rid of the smell.
Recently we've headed to Wetherspoons a bit more often as they have a no-smoking room which we can all sit down, have our drinks and not be subjected to cigarette smoke.
But either way, by May the whole of our Wetherspoons will become smoke free as will the ones in London, Aberdeen, Glasgow, Bristol, Birmingham and Nottingham.
It's a good thing in my opinion (as a non smoker), but I can see how it is potentially going to cause troubles as people start on their potentially correct but flawed argument of "freedom".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4201053.stm
I stopped going to pubs completely as I was truly sick of arriving home stinking, my clothes and hair smelling and would have to either get a shower straight away or change all my bed linen and air my duvet out the next day to get rid of the smell.
Recently we've headed to Wetherspoons a bit more often as they have a no-smoking room which we can all sit down, have our drinks and not be subjected to cigarette smoke.
But either way, by May the whole of our Wetherspoons will become smoke free as will the ones in London, Aberdeen, Glasgow, Bristol, Birmingham and Nottingham.
It's a good thing in my opinion (as a non smoker), but I can see how it is potentially going to cause troubles as people start on their potentially correct but flawed argument of "freedom".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4201053.stm
docevi1 said:
I know there is a mixed opinion on this topic here, but for me this is great news.
I stopped going to pubs completely as I was truly sick of arriving home stinking, my clothes and hair smelling and would have to either get a shower straight away or change all my bed linen and air my duvet out the next day to get rid of the smell.
Recently we've headed to Wetherspoons a bit more often as they have a no-smoking room which we can all sit down, have our drinks and not be subjected to cigarette smoke.
But either way, by May the whole of our Wetherspoons will become smoke free as will the ones in London, Aberdeen, Glasgow, Bristol, Birmingham and Nottingham.
It's a good thing in my opinion (as a non smoker), but I can see how it is potentially going to cause troubles as people start on their potentially correct but flawed argument of "freedom".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4201053.stm
Ummm, Wetherspoons attraction is basically cheap booze - and therefore are frequented by the slightly lower classes (well all the ones I've seen normally are).....who (if I'm not mistaken) have the largest percentage of smokers.
Something that I have said before, as a smoker - I dont care..... if they feel that their business wont be impacted (or that they can cope with the impact) then fine. I dont have a problem with this at all...
I quite frequently find myself in places where I cant smoke. I dont jump up and down and scream about civil liberties. Rather, I just nip outside for a swift one at some point..... no problem and no hassle.....
What I dont approve of is the use of daft and ridiculous legislation to enforce something. Peer pressure is the best way - laws banning this-and-that dont actually do anything.... choice and market pressures will dictate the way.... which is pretty much non-smoking by the way. When was the last time you went to a chain hotel (as used by business) that had smoking allowed throughout?
Now, if Weatherspoons was a decent place to go in the first place then I might just go there! (and not smoke)
I quite frequently find myself in places where I cant smoke. I dont jump up and down and scream about civil liberties. Rather, I just nip outside for a swift one at some point..... no problem and no hassle.....
What I dont approve of is the use of daft and ridiculous legislation to enforce something. Peer pressure is the best way - laws banning this-and-that dont actually do anything.... choice and market pressures will dictate the way.... which is pretty much non-smoking by the way. When was the last time you went to a chain hotel (as used by business) that had smoking allowed throughout?
Now, if Weatherspoons was a decent place to go in the first place then I might just go there! (and not smoke)
docevi1 said:
I know there is a mixed opinion on this topic here, but for me this is great news.
I stopped going to pubs completely as I was truly sick of arriving home stinking, my clothes and hair smelling and would have to either get a shower straight away or change all my bed linen and air my duvet out the next day to get rid of the smell.
Recently we've headed to Wetherspoons a bit more often as they have a no-smoking room which we can all sit down, have our drinks and not be subjected to cigarette smoke.
But either way, by May the whole of our Wetherspoons will become smoke free as will the ones in London, Aberdeen, Glasgow, Bristol, Birmingham and Nottingham.
It's a good thing in my opinion (as a non smoker), but I can see how it is potentially going to cause troubles as people start on their potentially correct but flawed argument of "freedom".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4201053.stm
Ummm, Wetherspoons attraction is basically cheap booze - and therefore are frequented by the slightly lower classes (well all the ones I've seen normally are).....who (if I'm not mistaken) have the largest percentage of smokers.
off_again said:
Something that I have said before, as a smoker - I dont care..... if they feel that their business wont be impacted (or that they can cope with the impact) then fine. I dont have a problem with this at all...
I quite frequently find myself in places where I cant smoke. I dont jump up and down and scream about civil liberties. Rather, I just nip outside for a swift one at some point..... no problem and no hassle.....
What I dont approve of is the use of daft and ridiculous legislation to enforce something. Peer pressure is the best way - laws banning this-and-that dont actually do anything.... choice and market pressures will dictate the way.... which is pretty much non-smoking by the way. When was the last time you went to a chain hotel (as used by business) that had smoking allowed throughout?
Now, if Weatherspoons was a decent place to go in the first place then I might just go there! (and not smoke)
Ditto from another smoker
Well my local Wetherspoons isn't such a bad place (basically because all my mates seem to be in there at any one time), and they've had segregated smoking and non-smoking areas for ages. Only problem is that one of the non-smoking areas is a balcony above the smoking area. Anyone spot the glaring flaw in this design?
IMO pubs should have a choice as to whether they ban smoking - if they feel it will bring more customers in, fair enough. If they know it'll piss off all the regulars (who are the only people in there anyway), then I don't see why they should be made to.
IMO pubs should have a choice as to whether they ban smoking - if they feel it will bring more customers in, fair enough. If they know it'll piss off all the regulars (who are the only people in there anyway), then I don't see why they should be made to.
off_again said:
Something that I have said before, as a smoker - I dont care..... if they feel that their business wont be impacted (or that they can cope with the impact) then fine. I dont have a problem with this at all...
I quite frequently find myself in places where I cant smoke. I dont jump up and down and scream about civil liberties. Rather, I just nip outside for a swift one at some point..... no problem and no hassle.....
What I dont approve of is the use of daft and ridiculous legislation to enforce something. Peer pressure is the best way - laws banning this-and-that dont actually do anything.... choice and market pressures will dictate the way.... which is pretty much non-smoking by the way. When was the last time you went to a chain hotel (as used by business) that had smoking allowed throughout?
Now, if Weatherspoons was a decent place to go in the first place then I might just go there! (and not smoke)
that is exactly the attitude I have, only explained much better than I. As for "classes", well we are students who like the cheap booze and the 'spoons in Newcastle is nice and old pub style which when in the back rooms is nice and quiet with no trouble - we generally don't see any loudmouths (as they all head out earlier to other pubs).
There is one pub/bar in the town called Toyoko which I love, it is a lovely dark lit bar with nice seats... but the prices are £4 for a pint/£2 for a diet coke, which when compared to 'spoons £1.5, £0.5 you can see why we don't go there...
Good for them. As a smoker I have absolutely no problem with a pub chain deciding they want to go smoke-free. I understand the point of non-smokers who do not wish to go home smelling of fags, as long as there can be an accomodation for those of us who don't mind going home smelling of fags everyone is happy surely?
Hopefully Bliar will take note and realise there is no need to add to his "banned" list.
Hopefully Bliar will take note and realise there is no need to add to his "banned" list.
docevi1 said:
Something that I have said before, as a smoker - I dont care..... if they feel that their business wont be impacted (or that they can cope with the impact) then fine. I dont have a problem with this at all...
I quite frequently find myself in places where I cant smoke. I dont jump up and down and scream about civil liberties. Rather, I just nip outside for a swift one at some point..... no problem and no hassle.....
What I dont approve of is the use of daft and ridiculous legislation to enforce something. Peer pressure is the best way - laws banning this-and-that dont actually do anything.... choice and market pressures will dictate the way.... which is pretty much non-smoking by the way. When was the last time you went to a chain hotel (as used by business) that had smoking allowed throughout?
Now, if Weatherspoons was a decent place to go in the first place then I might just go there! (and not smoke)
As for "classes", well we are students who like the cheap booze and the 'spoons in Newcastle is nice and old pub style which when in the back rooms is nice and quiet with no trouble - we generally don't see any loudmouths (as they all head out earlier to other pubs).
There is one pub/bar in the town called Toyoko which I love, it is a lovely dark lit bar with nice seats... but the prices are £4 for a pint/£2 for a diet coke, which when compared to 'spoons £1.5, £0.5 you can see why we don't go there...
Bit off topic here, but Tokyo is a nice bar, the roof garden is craking in the summer! When they first opened it I thought they where going to make it into a sushi bar too. They have done this with Hoko 10, and that is a decent place too.
On topic, don't go to Wetherspoons/Union Rooms, but I do go to Lloyds on the quayside which is part of the same group. They have a no smoking area, but to be honest with you it seems less people smoke in there anyway.
Not a good commercial move as it will put off their regulars. Whilst it may attract the odd extra person
who might "pop in" because it's smoke free it wo'nt. compensate for the existing customers they will lose or who cut down the time they spend there because they can't. smoke.
The chain is based on a cheap booze and food image and won't attract more "sophisticated / upmarket" types unless it goes for a major overhaul like some parts of the fast food industry are trying to do.
who might "pop in" because it's smoke free it wo'nt. compensate for the existing customers they will lose or who cut down the time they spend there because they can't. smoke.
The chain is based on a cheap booze and food image and won't attract more "sophisticated / upmarket" types unless it goes for a major overhaul like some parts of the fast food industry are trying to do.
docevi1 said:
potentially correct but flawed argument of "freedom".
this is the only part of your argument that annoys me, chap. why is it flawed to argue for freedom?
I would say that as long as pubs have smoking and non smoking areas then everyones happy. why do the people who want to restrict and nanny everything feel that they should extend their restrictive attitudes to moderate how everyone else lives?
docevi1 said:
the 'spoons in Newcastle is nice and old pub style which when in the back rooms is nice and quiet with no trouble - we generally don't see any loudmouths (as they all head out earlier to other pubs).
have you been in on a friday/saturday night? it's a triangle of rage between metherspoons, long bar and revolution! docev1l said:
There is one pub/bar in the town called Toyoko which I love, it is a lovely dark lit bar with nice seats... but the prices are £4 for a pint/£2 for a diet coke, which when compared to 'spoons £1.5, £0.5 you can see why we don't go there...
ahhh but the laydeez....mmm
and the beer is good. you're paying for the atnmosphere, the setting, and the bouncers not letting in any old chavs 
>> Edited by minimax on Monday 24th January 12:27
IIRC minimax and I have been into Spoons in Newcastle and the laydees. Yes.
Tokyo is cool in Summer, if a bit rammmed all the time.
Anyhow, I also hate coming home with smoke on my clothes, but as I see it, it is kinda part of going out. I do approve of a non smoking room or vice versa, but banning it outright is going a bit far.
Tokyo is cool in Summer, if a bit rammmed all the time.
Anyhow, I also hate coming home with smoke on my clothes, but as I see it, it is kinda part of going out. I do approve of a non smoking room or vice versa, but banning it outright is going a bit far.
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