Farenheit 9/11
Discussion
Been meaning to see this for a while, now on Ch4.
I knew the man was half intelligent, but blimey, it's scarey that this cowboy is 'in charge' of the most powerful nation in the world.
What a muppet/puppet....delete as appropriate.
BTW, I know Michael Moore's got his own agenda, but still.......
I knew the man was half intelligent, but blimey, it's scarey that this cowboy is 'in charge' of the most powerful nation in the world.
What a muppet/puppet....delete as appropriate.
BTW, I know Michael Moore's got his own agenda, but still.......
gopher said:
take a look here
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=151991&f=141&h=0
somehow, I doubt that all the low IQ rednecks who voted for him watched this film.
Mrs Fish said:
Now I don't like Bush at all, but this all just an exercise in character assassination for the sake of it by Moore. In fact I don't think I can be bothered to finish watching it.
Understood.
I knew before I started watching that it's going to be a total character assanination, but still, you have to admit, there's an amazing web of major investment/double dealing that went on with the Bush family and others.
carsarecool said:
Now I don't like Bush at all, but this all just an exercise in character assassination for the sake of it by Moore. In fact I don't think I can be bothered to finish watching it.
Understood.
I knew before I started watching that it's going to be a total character assanination, but still, you have to admit, there's an amazing web of major investment/double dealing that went on with the Bush family and others.
yes, but you dont understand....if micheal moore said it, it must all be lies.
All the stuff about arms dealing and links to the binladen family..clearly total bollocks because some Phers say so, being experts in Saudi- US financial politics of course.
As you can tell, I dont give two poos about how "biased" this film is supposed to be.
There are some very valid questions asked by Moore that unless you are totally thick, you cant ignore.
peterpeter said:
carsarecool said:
Mrs Fish said:
Now I don't like Bush at all, but this all just an exercise in character assassination for the sake of it by Moore. In fact I don't think I can be bothered to finish watching it.
Understood.
I knew before I started watching that it's going to be a total character assanination, but still, you have to admit, there's an amazing web of major investment/double dealing that went on with the Bush family and others.
yes, but you dont understand....if micheal moore said it, it must all be lies.
All the stuff about arms dealing and links to the binladen family..clearly total bollocks because some Phers say so, being experts in Saudi- US financial politics of course.
As you can tell, I dont give two poos about how "biased" this film is supposed to be.
There are some very valid questions asked by Moore that unless you are totally thick, you cant ignore.
I don't think anybody denies the links to the the Bin Laden family - one of the most powerful, influential families in the world, ask any Western leader if they have any connection, how many do you really think will say none?
Yes he asks some valid questions, it is such a shame he asks them in such an amateurish way they can be completely ignored.
>> Edited by gopher on Thursday 27th January 22:05
How should he ask them then....?
for example....the point about Hamed Kharzay being appointed the ruler of Afghanistan, aslo being on the board of Uno-cal
And who ignored them...
only the morons who voted for him.
Its really easy to slag off MM. Almost trendy nowadays. And yet there are so many points and questions in this film based on facts that no one can dispute.
But somehow all people can say is "its so biased and what a fat git".
for example....the point about Hamed Kharzay being appointed the ruler of Afghanistan, aslo being on the board of Uno-cal
And who ignored them...
only the morons who voted for him.
Its really easy to slag off MM. Almost trendy nowadays. And yet there are so many points and questions in this film based on facts that no one can dispute.
But somehow all people can say is "its so biased and what a fat git".
peterpeter said:
carsarecool said:
Mrs Fish said:
Now I don't like Bush at all, but this all just an exercise in character assassination for the sake of it by Moore. In fact I don't think I can be bothered to finish watching it.
Understood.
I knew before I started watching that it's going to be a total character assanination, but still, you have to admit, there's an amazing web of major investment/double dealing that went on with the Bush family and others.
yes, but you dont understand....if micheal moore said it, it must all be lies.
All the stuff about arms dealing and links to the binladen family..clearly total bollocks because some Phers say so, being experts in Saudi- US financial politics of course.
As you can tell, I dont give two poos about how "biased" this film is supposed to be.
There are some very valid questions asked by Moore that unless you are totally thick, you cant ignore.
peterpeter, you betray your own blinkered bias by this post. Moore asks no valid questions. Other people do, but Moore is a sensationalist who appeals to people like you who yearn for theday when the world (especially America) will realise that Bush is pure evil and immolate him. I don't think I've seen a single politics-related post on here from you that did not consist of polemic against non-socialist politicians.
Many of my instincts are the same as yours, but you give the impression that you believe the world's problems to be entirely the fault of Western capitalism.
If you could drop the slanted political attacks, at least for some of the time, then I think I could agree with you a lot of the time.
>> Edited by Zod on Thursday 27th January 22:12
No valid questions....
Ok so allowing the Binladens out of the U.S. after Sept 11 without questioning. was sensible was it.??
Why isnt that question valid???
What about the disgraceful business links highlighted.??
Are they all lies???
Isnt it valid to ask why Bush has these interests??/
Other people may ask the questions, but Moore, the fat git he is, at least manages to engage the public and get people thinking.
>> Edited by peterpeter on Thursday 27th January 22:24
Ok so allowing the Binladens out of the U.S. after Sept 11 without questioning. was sensible was it.??
Why isnt that question valid???
What about the disgraceful business links highlighted.??
Are they all lies???
Isnt it valid to ask why Bush has these interests??/
Other people may ask the questions, but Moore, the fat git he is, at least manages to engage the public and get people thinking.
>> Edited by peterpeter on Thursday 27th January 22:24
There is nothing that Bush can/will do that Moore would praise, except possibly die. If Michael Moore was given photos of George Bush walking on water, he would trumpet to the world "Bush can't swim!!!!"
If Moore's agenda was hidden, at least a little, he might be seen as credible. As it stands, his posturing is not converting anyone.
A sad, pathetic, one-hit-wonder.
Try these guys: www.spinsanity.org/
Sadly, they are not going to be continuing to update their site. Search for "Michael Moore".
And before there is any crying, they published a book on GW Bush's problems.
BTW, Bush's 2nd (and last) four-year year term is up in '08. Blair is going to be turned out of office automatically WHEN???
Dave
If Moore's agenda was hidden, at least a little, he might be seen as credible. As it stands, his posturing is not converting anyone.
A sad, pathetic, one-hit-wonder.
Try these guys: www.spinsanity.org/
Sadly, they are not going to be continuing to update their site. Search for "Michael Moore".
And before there is any crying, they published a book on GW Bush's problems.
BTW, Bush's 2nd (and last) four-year year term is up in '08. Blair is going to be turned out of office automatically WHEN???
Dave
peterpeter said:All that is just of infinitesimal importance and doesn't support Moore's big hint: that somehow 9/11 was Bush's fault. The rest o fthe Bin Laden family is not the same as Osama. The Saudi royal faily is disgustingly corrupt and many of the hundreds of princes probably do give financial help indirectly to Al Quaeda, but none of this implicates Bush.
No valid questions....
Ok so allowing the Binladens out of the U.S. after Sept 11 without questioning. was sensible was it.??
Why isnt that question valid???
What about the disgraceful business links highlighted.??
Are they all lies???
Isnt it valid to ask why Bush has these interests??/
Other people may ask the questions, but Moore, the fat git he is, at least manages to engage the public and get people thinking.
>> Edited by peterpeter on Thursday 27th January 22:24
Zod said:
No valid questions....
Ok so allowing the Binladens out of the U.S. after Sept 11 without questioning. was sensible was it.??
Why isnt that question valid???
What about the disgraceful business links highlighted.??
Are they all lies???
Isnt it valid to ask why Bush has these interests??/
Other people may ask the questions, but Moore, the fat git he is, at least manages to engage the public and get people thinking.
>> Edited by peterpeter on Thursday 27th January 22:24
All that is just of infinitesimal importance and doesn't support Moore's big hint: that somehow 9/11 was Bush's fault. The rest o fthe Bin Laden family is not the same as Osama. The Saudi royal faily is disgustingly corrupt and many of the hundreds of princes probably do give financial help indirectly to Al Quaeda, but none of this implicates Bush.
Thats a pretty weak answer.
I dont think "911 being bush's fault " is the point of the film at all.
It about what the reaction was to 9/11. the missed opportunities in Afghanistan.
The business behind war.
The consequences. The REASONS FOR GOING TO WAR WITH IRAQ.
The soldiers used to do it.
Lets face it we only get biased shite from our government and media anyway, so why not even the balance. Lets also remember that we went to war on the basis of Saddam having nuclear and biological weapons, he had none, his only weapon was rhetoric. Yes, the Americans are an idiotic, insular nation who elected an idiot, but if this country re-elects Blair we are no different.
In my humble opinion, of course.
>> Edited by flasher on Thursday 27th January 22:43
In my humble opinion, of course.
>> Edited by flasher on Thursday 27th January 22:43
flasher said:
Lets face it we only get biased shite from our government and media anyway, so why not even the balance. Lets also remember that we went to war on the basis of Saddam having nuclear and biological weapons, he had none, his only weapon was rhetoric. Yes, the Americans are an idiotic, insular nation who elected an idiot, but if this country re-elects Blair we are no different.
In my humble opinion, of course.
>> Edited by flasher on Thursday 27th January 22:43
Yes, it is biased, but does raise some valid questions.
Media controls the world eh?
>> Edited by carsarecool on Thursday 27th January 22:45
Zod said:
peterpeter, you betray your own blinkered bias by this post. Moore asks no valid questions. Other people do, but Moore is a sensationalist who appeals to people like you who yearn for theday when the world (especially America) will realise that Bush is pure evil and immolate him. I don't think I've seen a single politics-related post on here from you that did not consist of polemic against non-socialist politicians.
Many of my instincts are the same as yours, but you give the impression that you believe the world's problems to be entirely the fault of Western capitalism.
If you could drop the slanted political attacks, at least for some of the time, then I think I could agree with you a lot of the time.
>> Edited by Zod on Thursday 27th January 22:12
This post nearly made me fall off my chair with laughter.
The amazing thing is that you seem to have no insight. MM might be a "fat populist" but to dismiss as of "no importance" questions which might implicate Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld in one of the biggest scams in history, would be negligent, to say the least.
Fact is, on these sites, if you are not anti-pc, anti-MM, in fact anti-everything, then you are a "blinkered and biased" socialist, or a lentilist, or some such other sobriquet.
I am afraid to give you this wake up call, but the current white house admin, aren't a nice bunch of straight up guys, they are perhaps the most pernicious, manipulative and dangerous b*stards. I would rate them as more dangerous than any current rogue state or terrorist group. After all, ask yourself, who has killed more people? Who has consistently ignored international law, to achieve it's own agenda? More importantly, who has the biggest PR and spin machine, with a media that is not interested in telling the truth?
And yet, we would complain about MM?? Dear oh dear.....
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