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john75

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5,303 posts

270 months

Saturday 29th January 2005
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If you are going to commit a crime do not go on TV and talk about it seems to be the omen here.

Judge allows Jackson film showing

Mr Jackson said he was "betrayed" by Bashir over the film
Martin Bashir's documentary Living With Michael Jackson will be shown to jurors at the singer's child abuse trial, the judge has ruled.
The controversial programme contains footage of singer Jackson defending his practice of letting young boys sleep in the same room as him at his ranch.

The defence opposed the move, saying the British journalist's show was heavily edited and unreliable evidence.

Mr Jackson, 46, has denied 10 counts of child molestation and conspiracy.

In another ruling at the last pre-trial hearing before jury selection begins next week, Judge Rodney Melville said material described as erotic and including some images of nude children could be shown.

Defence lawyers argued that the prosecution had not established that the items belonged to Mr Jackson, as around 70 staff at the residence had access to the areas where they were found.

But in a victory for the defence, Judge Melville ruled that Mr Jackson's accuser and his brother would have to testify in open court despite prosecution protests that this would traumatise them.

'Inflammatory'

The judge said a version of Mr Bashir's programme aired on British TV would be shown, rather than a longer documentary shown in the US containing commentary by journalists.


Martin Bashir has asked not to give evidence at the trial

Prosecutors had called the US version "a public relations catastrophe" and said jurors could not understand the impact it had had on the singer without them seeing it in its entirety.

Judge Melville also refused to excuse Mr Bashir from standing as a witness in the trial.

But the journalist, now a correspondent for US television network ABC, could still refuse to answer questions if he takes the witness stand.

Mr Bashir's lawyer Theodore Boutros Jr said that he was protected by the First Amendment and California's state laws.

The defence argued that the programme constituted inadmissible hearsay and contained highly inflammatory material.

The film was the UK's biggest TV export of 2003, sold to 120 countries.

At the time it sparked outrage from the singer, who said he was "utterly betrayed" and "unfairly treated" by Bashir.




PatHeald

8,058 posts

279 months

Saturday 29th January 2005
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We'd better wait to see if he is convicted before he is publically branded a paedophile.

We wouldn't want our esteemed editor to be sued for publishing libellous material if Mr Jackson is subsequently acquitted.

In the event that he gets the chop, then the world's press will have a field day.

Cheers

Pat

parrot of doom

23,075 posts

257 months

Saturday 29th January 2005
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When Mr Jackson says that kids sleep in his bedroom, not many people realise that his bedroom is about the size of a large house.

I doubt hes done anything wrong, he may be a bit different to the rest of us, but whose fault is that (if its a fault at all)?

bilko2

1,693 posts

255 months

Saturday 29th January 2005
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I don't like that Martin Bashir, he twists peoples words right in front of you like you are stupid and will believe him.
Why doesn't he want to give evidence?
As for Jackson, well he's different but so what. Saying that though he gives me the creeps and i wouldn't let my kids sleep in the same room as him even if it was the size of a football pitch.

john75

Original Poster:

5,303 posts

270 months

Saturday 29th January 2005
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parrot of doom said:
When Mr Jackson says that kids sleep in his bedroom, not many people realise that his bedroom is about the size of a large house.

I doubt hes done anything wrong, he may be a bit different to the rest of us, but whose fault is that (if its a fault at all)?


The things is he said that they share a bed with him rather than just a room it might well be harmless and perfectly innocent but is it a wise thing for a grown man with a high media profile and a history of allegations of child abuse to do.

anonymous-user

77 months

Saturday 29th January 2005
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I think he'll be found innocent.













Just like O J.

just dave

689 posts

264 months

Saturday 29th January 2005
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unrepentant said:
I think he'll be found innocent.













Just like O J.


The criminal court said "Innocent". The civil Court said "Guilty".

The biggest difference between OJ and MJ is, MJ let his victims get away.

I guess this kid was not offered enought 'hush money' to stay quiet.

Dave

just dave

689 posts

264 months

Saturday 29th January 2005
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Gazboy said:
The case will be thrown out due to media intervention causing overwhelming prejedice against Jackson. (this is pretty much what happened to the Grosover Hotel gang-rape case- not helped by most of the key evidence 'getting lost' between the hotel and the forensic labs, not to mention a girl posing as the victim in a tabloid tell-all).

there should be a total lock-down regarding the media for ALL trials, cases and legalities, which should only be brought to light once the trial is over.


Hi Gaz,

A 'gag order' has been in place, and will be extended for this trial. Most of the secret stuff is still secret.
See www.thesmokinggun.com for what is happening.


What is being disputed is the evidence to be presented in the trial. The really sad thing, is that the evidence MJ wants blocked is material that he said in previous court cases and the Bashir documentary.

Nothing like being seen on tape saying you like to take 5-10 year old boys to bed that would lead 12 people to believe you might be a kiddie fiddler, eh?

The only thing that has kept MJ out of jail and the gutter is multi-millions and a large staff, which also keeps him from being in touch with reality.

A sad, sad, sick man.

Dave

tinman0

18,231 posts

263 months

Saturday 29th January 2005
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make a sentence including the following two words:

1. smoke
2. fire

groucho

12,134 posts

269 months

Sunday 30th January 2005
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tinman0 said:
make a sentence including the following two words:

1. smoke
2. fire


Never liked that saying.

Hardcore2000

788 posts

294 months

Sunday 30th January 2005
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Apparently michael jackson got confused when discussing videos to watch and someone suggested he get Aladin!

john75

Original Poster:

5,303 posts

270 months

Sunday 30th January 2005
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I heard he was delighted when he heard of Boys to Men but disappointed that they do not deliever.

Very old bad taste joke

Along the same lines as Gary Glitter pulling out of Children in Need

>> Edited by john75 on Sunday 30th January 18:31

superflid

2,254 posts

288 months

Monday 31st January 2005
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I heard that the US media is calling it "The trial of the century" and was just about to go on a rant.




Then I remembered.




We've not had much of this century yet.........

Balmoral Green

42,557 posts

271 months

Monday 31st January 2005
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'Trial of the Century' currently run at about one a month in the media.

wedg1e

27,011 posts

288 months

Monday 31st January 2005
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What's the difference between Michael Jackson and an ASDA carrier bag?


























One's made of plastic and is dangerous to kids, and the other's an ASDA carrier bag...

jonna_rex

1,500 posts

254 months

Monday 31st January 2005
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Did you see the document of him???

just dave

689 posts

264 months

Monday 31st January 2005
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jonna_rex said:
Did you see the document of him???


Most damning bit of 'evidence' shown, so far. Try this place for what is to come:
www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/010605jackson.html

Guilty.



Dave

peterpeter

6,438 posts

280 months

Monday 31st January 2005
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jonna_rex said:
Did you see the document of him???


up till that program, I was always a little doubtful of the charges.

Now Im sure he's guilty.

simpo two

91,290 posts

288 months

Monday 31st January 2005
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'Trial by media' seems to have replaced 'innocent until proven guilty'.

I have no idea either way, but unless someone had a camera set up in his bedroom or has some forensic evidence, I don't see how you can prove anything.

just dave

689 posts

264 months

Monday 31st January 2005
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simpo two said:
'Trial by media' seems to have replaced 'innocent until proven guilty'.

I have no idea either way, but unless someone had a camera set up in his bedroom or has some forensic evidence, I don't see how you can prove anything.


See link above to view testimony transcripts where a 13 Y.O. boy describes MJ's dk size, color and shape.
When the cops checked, things 'matched'. :shudder:


Dave