Bliar goes after bogus benefit claimants & burglar
Bliar goes after bogus benefit claimants & burglar
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v8thunder

Original Poster:

27,647 posts

281 months

Tuesday 1st February 2005
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But does he really mean it, or is he just stealing Tory policies just in time for the election?

Today's news shows that the government are cracking down on people who are claiming incapacity benefits who aren't actually incapacitated, and you can also use 'reasonable force' to defend yourself against, or incapacitate a burglar in your house.

Common sense, or policy theft that they don't actually intend to carry out? What do we think?

hedders

24,460 posts

270 months

Tuesday 1st February 2005
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This may not be a popular view here on PH, but if he is serious about saving money by stopping fraudulent claims , I think he should be looking at fraudulent income tax claims and corporate tax claims by the richest among us, not trying to weed out those who are better off on one kind of benefit than the other.

I do agree that fraudulent benefit claims are a problem, but I seem to remember reading that Tax evation costs the treasury over £60billion a year and Benefit fraud cost about £3Billion a year.








>> Edited by hedders on Tuesday 1st February 18:25

superflid

2,254 posts

288 months

Tuesday 1st February 2005
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You've always been able to use "Reasonable force" on burglars.

Eric Mc

124,787 posts

288 months

Tuesday 1st February 2005
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Election showboating.

He aparently made a similar speech 5 years ago. Since then the number of people claiming Incapacity Benefit has RISEN by 100,000.

Nevin

2,999 posts

284 months

Tuesday 1st February 2005
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hedders said:


I do agree that fraudulent benefit claims are a problem, but I seem to remember reading that Tax evation costs the treasury over £60billion a year and Benefit fraud cost about £3Billion a year.

>> Edited by hedders on Tuesday 1st February 18:25


Tax evasion or tax avoidance? There's a big difference

Psychobert

6,318 posts

279 months

Tuesday 1st February 2005
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Eric Mc said:
He aparently made a similar speech 5 years ago. Since then the number of people claiming Incapacity Benefit has RISEN by 100,000.


He did. If you were to look at the figures for benefit claimants, you could be forgiven for thinking that there is a distinct relationship between those that were previously claimng JSA and those that started to claim IB in the recent past. In essence, the rules were changed to massage the figures into looking like JSA claims were reduced by shipping people onto IB. I fully expect the IB figures to be sucessfully reduced and no doubt JSA or maybe something else will go up to compensate.

Oh, and onthe point about fat cats. There is a difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion.

love machine

7,609 posts

258 months

Tuesday 1st February 2005
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How about "Bliar goes after whatever bollocks will get him re-elected"

How about blow jobs for everyone.....? Ugh....

v8thunder

Original Poster:

27,647 posts

281 months

Tuesday 1st February 2005
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At the end of the day, elections are won on economics. If the economy has been buoyant, the government is trusted and kept in, so Labour will get in and stay in until there's a big crash of some sort.

I wish people cared more about other issues and actually read manifestos rather than just OKing everything so long as they're 'alright'.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

278 months

Tuesday 1st February 2005
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v8thunder said:

Today's news shows that the government are cracking down on people who are claiming incapacity benefits who aren't actually incapacitated, and you can also use 'reasonable force' to defend yourself against, or incapacitate a burglar in your house......


Have I got this right?

If I properly incapacitate a burglar, he can claim benefit..........

andy4200

5,116 posts

296 months

Tuesday 1st February 2005
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v8thunder said:
But does he really mean it, or is he just stealing Tory policies just in time for the election?


I'll believe it when I see it.
I think you also answered your own question there..