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Targarama

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14,717 posts

306 months

Wednesday 16th February 2005
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No not your round in the Pie & Piston. This is about a leaflet that should recently have appeared on the doormat of every household in the SE of England.

It's about the 'South East Plan' and includes a short survey. What people may not realise is that it is the governments way of saying we all agree with their plans. The survey is pretty simple and we are invited to send our views. However, even the survey requires a stamp - no Freepost address.

The government are going to use this to railroad whatever plans they feel like. They are going to say we have been consulted (this leaflet is our consultation and request for input apparently).

www.southeast-ra.gov.uk/southeastplan

Just wanted to make sure we all knew this was our chance to express our views on where they're going to stick 900,00 more people in the next few years.

towman

14,938 posts

262 months

Wednesday 16th February 2005
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Ah, the southeast plan. Time to buy shares in Readymix.

Pigeon

18,535 posts

269 months

Wednesday 16th February 2005
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These surveys are useless... I occasionally write letters to the local paper about some particularly stupid or undemocratic thing the council have done - like introducing a "controlled parking zone" against the wishes of the majority of the town's population, or spending three quarters of a million pounds importing granite from China to make a pavement instead of buying some paving slabs. I am sure this is why I am the only resident of these flats to have received a survey form on "how good a job do you think we're doing", complete with pen to fill it in with. I didn't bother - it's like the speed camera surveys, it's worded in such a way that it's impossible to answer the questions honestly in a way that reflects badly on the council.

gaston

21,189 posts

269 months

Wednesday 16th February 2005
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I think you're getting paranoid. Your name was picked at random from among the forty-something, science-loving, beer drinking, bike riding, Morris Minor worrying inhabitants of your local community. Remember - the innocent have nothing to fear.

targarama

Original Poster:

14,717 posts

306 months

Thursday 17th February 2005
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Friend is a local councillor and he says they should be being sent to every household in the SE.

I agree about the survey attached to the form. We should still express our views (see PDFs linked on the website for more info on the plans).

I agree that whatever we say we will get more housing. I wish that 75+% of it were government owned (i.e. Council/shared) with rules about selling it on for a fat profit. One of the big mistakes Maggie made was allowing this to happen.

TurboNelly

601 posts

262 months

Thursday 17th February 2005
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The leaflet is being sent to every household in the South East (trust me i know) and you can also fill the form in online here.

The consultation is actually in two stages. The first stage runs until 15 April, and the second stage (on district housing figures) will be carried out in the summer. More info on consultation here.

hedders

24,460 posts

270 months

Thursday 17th February 2005
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well, it seems that the government are not taking all the global warming/rising sea levels warnings very seriously.

Most of the plans seem to involve putting loads more houses near the coast, which will all be under water in twenty years if we are to believe what we are being told!

Don

28,378 posts

307 months

Thursday 17th February 2005
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targarama said:

I agree that whatever we say we will get more housing. I wish that 75+% of it were government owned (i.e. Council/shared) with rules about selling it on for a fat profit. One of the big mistakes Maggie made was allowing this to happen.


Indeed. Government owned housing means that it is possible to control living costs for key government employees - which means its possible to have them in areas that would otherwise be "too expensive".

Once on the open market such housing becomes useless for such a purpose.

Another means of addressing such problems is local pay deals. Of course the Unions seem to think that some guy in the Outer Hebrides should be paid exactly the same as another in Central London. Not helpful.

james_j

3,996 posts

278 months

Thursday 17th February 2005
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Don said:

targarama said:

I agree that whatever we say we will get more housing. I wish that 75+% of it were government owned (i.e. Council/shared) with rules about selling it on for a fat profit. One of the big mistakes Maggie made was allowing this to happen.



Indeed. Government owned housing means that it is possible to control living costs for key government employees - which means its possible to have them in areas that would otherwise be "too expensive".

Once on the open market such housing becomes useless for such a purpose.

Another means of addressing such problems is local pay deals. Of course the Unions seem to think that some guy in the Outer Hebrides should be paid exactly the same as another in Central London. Not helpful.


Yes I agree about the mistake that was selling off council housing, but what we don't want surely is another round of building ugly sprawling council estates which, within a decade or so become run down, no tree ever grows to maturity (because it gets snapped off for amusement of the cerebrally-challenged) and buyers are reluctant to buy there.

...and then later, the tenants will be allowed to buy them at a discount and the whole cycle begins again - at taxpayer's expense of course.

targarama

Original Poster:

14,717 posts

306 months

Thursday 17th February 2005
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hedders said:
well, it seems that the government are not taking all the global warming/rising sea levels warnings very seriously.

Most of the plans seem to involve putting loads more houses near the coast, which will all be under water in twenty years if we are to believe what we are being told!



But the MPs and Councillors won't be living in them so it's doesn't matter ...