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Watched the vid last night: great pic: stands the test of time.
Walken, deNiro, Streep ao in their 'teens' . . .
Am I the only one who especially likes the first part?
Those 'hunters' look so close togheter: with their language / slang and habits. I miss those athmospheres in current movies.
The Five Easy Pieces with Jack N. is another fine classic that just describes a couple of people in their 'every day' lives . . . I like the scene where Jack gets mad in the car disciding wheter or not he should take his wife along with him.
Walken, deNiro, Streep ao in their 'teens' . . .
Am I the only one who especially likes the first part?
Those 'hunters' look so close togheter: with their language / slang and habits. I miss those athmospheres in current movies.
The Five Easy Pieces with Jack N. is another fine classic that just describes a couple of people in their 'every day' lives . . . I like the scene where Jack gets mad in the car disciding wheter or not he should take his wife along with him.
dinkel said:
Those 'hunters' look so close togheter: with their language / slang and habits. I miss those athmospheres in current movies.
The Five Easy Pieces with Jack N. is another fine classic that just describes a couple of people in their 'every day' lives . . . I like the scene where Jack gets mad in the car disciding wheter or not he should take his wife along with him.
Both quality films!
I love Smoke (Harvey Keitel) as it just describes scenes of everyday life.
As far as current movies go, have you seen Sideways? Great movie about two mates touring the vinyards of California before one of them gets married. Fantastic insights into what turns out to be a complex relationship, with plenty of humour to boot
It probably is too long - and certainly Cimino's next major film, "Heaven's Gate" was FAR FAR FAR too long and rambling (and brought United Artists to its knees).
Absolutely correct Los A - I didn't say it was accurate, I just found it believable (at the time). I remember all the controversy at the time and the Vietnam government of the day were very angry about those Russian Roulette scenes.
The bit I found most believeable was the wedding scene actually.
>> Edited by Eric Mc on Tuesday 15th March 12:01
Absolutely correct Los A - I didn't say it was accurate, I just found it believable (at the time). I remember all the controversy at the time and the Vietnam government of the day were very angry about those Russian Roulette scenes.
The bit I found most believeable was the wedding scene actually.
>> Edited by Eric Mc on Tuesday 15th March 12:01
Too long? Compared to a Brit Spears vid yes . . .
A few years ago they released Appocalypse Now Redux: it's even longer than the original.
I guess this is not a movie for everyone. And it wasn't when it was released. A shame cos' current movies are easy and fixed format. Boring mostly.
I love the rawness of US movies mid 60s - begin 80s. After that Hollywood came just to collect money . . .
........
Another great long movie "Once Upon A Time In America".
>> Edited by dinkel on Tuesday 15th March 12:23
A few years ago they released Appocalypse Now Redux: it's even longer than the original.
I guess this is not a movie for everyone. And it wasn't when it was released. A shame cos' current movies are easy and fixed format. Boring mostly.
I love the rawness of US movies mid 60s - begin 80s. After that Hollywood came just to collect money . . .
........
Another great long movie "Once Upon A Time In America".
>> Edited by dinkel on Tuesday 15th March 12:23
Re "Heaven's Gate" - I went to the cinema to see the restored version (1983)?. After the damage had been done it was thought that maybe if they restored some of the hastilly cut scenes from the original release then maybe it might make more sense.
They were wrong.
I wonder was "Heaven's Gate" aturning point in Hollywood history in that after this disaster, Hollywood was much more focussed on "box office" potential than it had been previously?
>> Edited by Eric Mc on Tuesday 15th March 12:17
They were wrong.
I wonder was "Heaven's Gate" aturning point in Hollywood history in that after this disaster, Hollywood was much more focussed on "box office" potential than it had been previously?
>> Edited by Eric Mc on Tuesday 15th March 12:17
A fabulous film. I have lost count how many times I've seen it.
Every time I watch it, I discover something new.
The wedding party scenes are fantastic and a shocking contrast to that which follows -clever....and there's a lovely Jag XK150 in it!
Some superb photography -every frame could be a balanced, composed picture.
Apocalypse Redux also a fave. Especially the scene at the French planter's house.....
The boys just bought me the Bladerunner Director's Cut -awesome film.
Mel
Every time I watch it, I discover something new.
The wedding party scenes are fantastic and a shocking contrast to that which follows -clever....and there's a lovely Jag XK150 in it!
Some superb photography -every frame could be a balanced, composed picture.
Apocalypse Redux also a fave. Especially the scene at the French planter's house.....
The boys just bought me the Bladerunner Director's Cut -awesome film.
Mel
los angeles said:
Saw "The Deerhunter" in the cinema when it was still relatively new (1980)and I found it entirely beleivable and traumatic (as was Michael Cimino's intention). I've never really been able to watch it since.
There was and is no evidence whatsoever to confirm the film's view Vietnam soldiers forced American prisoners to play Russian roulette.
We've seen some of the games the Americans have forced the Iraqis to play. Is it really such a reality leap?
A big NOPE!
"The Deerhunter" was part of a large national "change of heart" that swept the US at the end of the 70s (and lead to Reagan being elected the following year). Together with the help of films such as "The Deerhunter" and "Coming Home", Americans began to undemonise the Vietnam veterans. Unfortunately, the swing in mood lead to films such as "Rambo"!
>> Edited by Eric Mc on Tuesday 15th March 13:21
"The Deerhunter" was part of a large national "change of heart" that swept the US at the end of the 70s (and lead to Reagan being elected the following year). Together with the help of films such as "The Deerhunter" and "Coming Home", Americans began to undemonise the Vietnam veterans. Unfortunately, the swing in mood lead to films such as "Rambo"!
>> Edited by Eric Mc on Tuesday 15th March 13:21
I don't think any Vietnam films made so far have been truelly "honest".
Back in the 60s we had that blatant propoganda piece, "The Green Berets".
In the 70s we had "Coming Home", "The Deerhunter" and "Go Tell the Spartans", probably the best of that decade.
In the 80s we had "Platoon" and, of course, "Full Metal Jacket").
Personally, I find "Born on the 4th of July" the most revealing of them all. I know Mr Cruise isn't everybody's cup of tea but I think his portrayal of the crippled war vet is pretty moving.
>> Edited by Eric Mc on Tuesday 15th March 14:07
Back in the 60s we had that blatant propoganda piece, "The Green Berets".
In the 70s we had "Coming Home", "The Deerhunter" and "Go Tell the Spartans", probably the best of that decade.
In the 80s we had "Platoon" and, of course, "Full Metal Jacket").
Personally, I find "Born on the 4th of July" the most revealing of them all. I know Mr Cruise isn't everybody's cup of tea but I think his portrayal of the crippled war vet is pretty moving.
>> Edited by Eric Mc on Tuesday 15th March 14:07
dinkel said:
So what's top 3 Nam movies then?
1)Apocalypse Now (Robert Duvall - colonel Kilgore
) 2)Deer Hunter (Chris Walken
) 3)Full Metal Jacket......(Lee Ermy
) my three
but not far behind .....Platoon (Tom Berenger-nasty piece of work....film with a great score),Thin Red Line ,Hot shots 1 & 2 (okay i lie about these two....but damn funny
)and the one with Michael J Fox & Sean Penn in......Good review where I can find meself in:
www.ruthlessreviews.com/movies/d/deerhunter.html
Not Nam but also a good movie about US intervience: Killing Fields.
I agree with Father Teds top 3.
www.ruthlessreviews.com/movies/d/deerhunter.html
Not Nam but also a good movie about US intervience: Killing Fields.
I agree with Father Teds top 3.
Two Apocalypse Now questions:
1 Is "Redux" any good? I'm not a fan of Director's Cuts generally (exception being Bladerunner) and find that the bits "on the cutting room floor" were generally best left there (see Aliens Directors Cut which is rendered boring by unnecessary back story)
2 Is it my imagination or are there two end credit sequensces for AN? One showing Kurtz' Jungle Hideaway being bombed from on high as the credits roll, the other with just the credits against a black background, as the Rhythm Devils play their stuff.
1 Is "Redux" any good? I'm not a fan of Director's Cuts generally (exception being Bladerunner) and find that the bits "on the cutting room floor" were generally best left there (see Aliens Directors Cut which is rendered boring by unnecessary back story)
2 Is it my imagination or are there two end credit sequensces for AN? One showing Kurtz' Jungle Hideaway being bombed from on high as the credits roll, the other with just the credits against a black background, as the Rhythm Devils play their stuff.
los angeles said:No idea. I haven't seen it.
We've seen some of the games the Americans have forced the Iraqis to play. Is it really such a reality leap?
Does the Mai Li massacre feature in The Deerhunter?
I was just observing that in war people can be pretty horrible to each other. You can't rule anything out. 'All's fair in love and war'
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