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MrsRotty

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Tuesday 22nd March 2005
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On the BBC website - what do PH'ers think?

<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4371431.stm">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4371431.stm</a>


Wheelchairs prompt safety fears

Motorised wheelchairs used by pensioners and disabled people need to be governed by more safety regulations, says a Liberal Democrat MP.

Bob Russell says the machines help many people but is worried they can be a threat to pedestrians when used badly.

He says there should be more rules on user competence, third party insurance, maintenance and second-hand sales.

"Hell's grannies" is the nickname given to the worst users of the machines, which are driven by 100,000 Britons.

Last year, eight wheelchair users died in crashes and there were 1,142 "adverse" incidents involving all types of wheelchair, according to government figures.

One woman reportedly died when she reversed her wheelchair off a pier into the sea.

Collision fears

Mr Russell says the machines can reach 8mph and could hurt pedestrians if there was a collision.

Reputable dealers make sure people get the appropriate wheelchair, he said, praising Shopmobility in his Colchester constituency.

But the MP raised his fears after the Essex Disabled People's Association made a warning about second hand sales.

Mr Russell told BBC News: "This is a relatively new form of transport over the last 10 or 20 years.

"They have improved the situation for those who have a need for these machines ... The problem is with the second hand market."

He is worried that the wheelchairs often outlive their owner and can be sold on without proper checks on maintenance or whether they are suitable for the buyer.


Just as there are good and bad cyclists, there are good and bad users of powered wheelchairs


Insurance is not compulsory for motorised wheelchairs, although the Department of Health does recommend third party cover.

Mr Russell's call has sparked criticism from some disabled people's groups.

Allen Jones, chairman of the Wheelchair Users' Group, said the same concerns could apply to cyclists.

He told the Times newspaper: "Will they now regulate cyclists who travel much faster and often on the pavements?

"Just as there are good and bad cyclists, there are good and bad users of powered wheelchairs."

Mr Jones admitted he had seen some wheelchair users driving like "stupid idiots".

The speed limits for the wheelchairs are 4mph on pavements - essentially walking pace - and 8mph on roads.

A spokeswoman for the Department for Transport said she was not aware of anybody ever being prosecuted under the speeding rules, but could not say whether or not police had given informal warnings.

The department is reviewing safety standards for the wheelchairs, including speed limits, technical requirements and training.

The vast majority of users drove safely, she added.

Regulation warning

Mr Russell's concerns were addressed by Health Minister Stephen Ladyman in a recent House of Commons debate.

He said the speed limits painted "a picture of policemen hiding behind trees with radar guns to leap out and catch 'hell's grannies' as they perambulate through our constituencies".

Mr Ladyman said further regulation would impose unnecessary restrictions on those who depend on the wheelchairs for a better quality of life.

But he acknowledged the second-hand market was a "big concern".

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>>> Edited by MrsRotty on Tuesday 22 March 16:07

vixpy1

42,699 posts

293 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2005
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The Lib Dems,

JagLover

46,735 posts

264 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2005
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Too late-thread already going

See 'That leaving the country thread'



>> Edited by JagLover on Tuesday 22 March 16:27

Yertis

19,707 posts

295 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2005
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So this isn't a thread about famous Goodies episodes?

ScoobZ

6,578 posts

277 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2005
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Yertis said:
So this isn't a thread about famous Goodies episodes?


Nor one about the "Python" sketch either...

Yertis

19,707 posts

295 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2005
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Was it Python?

It was. Oh well. As you can tell, I wasn't one of those boys who stood around re-enacting Python sketches at school.

Incorrigible

13,668 posts

290 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2005
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I know one shouldn't laugh but
article said:
One woman reportedly died when she reversed her wheelchair off a pier into the sea.
:snigger:

Incorrigible

13,668 posts

290 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2005
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Yertis said:
I wasn't one of those boys who stood around re-enacting Python sketches at school.
Yes you were

Yertis

19,707 posts

295 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2005
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Incorrigible said:

Yertis said:
I wasn't one of those boys who stood around re-enacting Python sketches at school.

Yes you were


Too young.


Not the Nine O'Clock News was my speciality.

Incorrigible

13,668 posts

290 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2005
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I though I'd have been safe with the "How much for an argument" refference as well

Yertis

19,707 posts

295 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2005
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Proved my own point there... somewhat unusually.

Incorrigible

13,668 posts

290 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2005
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Would you like to buy a gramaphone ??

Yertis

19,707 posts

295 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2005
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Ho ho ho!

You what Grandad?

(Atkinson beckons assistant, played by Rhys Jones, over)

>> Edited by Yertis on Tuesday 22 March 17:13

leosayer

7,815 posts

273 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2005
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Incorrigible said:
I know one shouldn't laugh but
article said:
One woman reportedly died when she reversed her wheelchair off a pier into the sea.

:snigger:


I read this on the tube this morning and laughed out loud but then felt really guilty as it's not funny at all really.

Yertis

19,707 posts

295 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2005
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Yes it is.






sh1t

ScoobZ

6,578 posts

277 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2005
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Hilarious.

I think the Dinosaurs had the right idea: As soon as the elderley weren't any use anymore.

Push them off a cliff.

What a great animated show that was.

Yertis

19,707 posts

295 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2005
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ScoobZ said:
Hilarious.

I think the Dinosaurs had the right idea: As soon as the elderley weren't any use anymore.

Push them off a cliff.

What a great animated show that was.


Dinosaurs? I thought that was eskimos, or maybe vikings.

ScoobZ

6,578 posts

277 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2005
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Whatever.

Good idea though.

Yertis

19,707 posts

295 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2005
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There's a Hells Granny who whizzes past here on a maxxed up electric chariot wearing race overalls and a full-face helmet. I kid you not. I'll photograph her as soon as I get my new lens.

ScoobZ

6,578 posts

277 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2005
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You'll get arrested if you are not careful...

Yertis? Photographing disabled pensioners? My word...

What with his reputation....