Why are cigarettes called fags?
Why are cigarettes called fags?
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birdbrain

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Wednesday 23rd March 2005
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Someone just asked me and I didn't know.

Anyone?

Plotloss

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Wednesday 23rd March 2005
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Derivative of fag-end which is the last and worse bit of a roll of cloth.

Originally used for cheap cigarettes it spread to encompass all cigarettes...

TheLemming

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Wednesday 23rd March 2005
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Shortened version of Faggot.

One meaning for Faggot is a bundle of twigs / sticks.

Ribol

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287 months

Wednesday 23rd March 2005
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It comes from the Latin word "fagilus" which means to burn money and die younger

birdbrain

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Wednesday 23rd March 2005
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Right, so three different answers so far then!

Alex

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Wednesday 23rd March 2005
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Just remember not to say: "Can I bum a fag?" when you are in the US.

Ribol

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Wednesday 23rd March 2005
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birdbrain said:
Right, so three different answers so far then!

I may need to withdraw mine if this is to settle a bet where money may change hands

Plotloss

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Wednesday 23rd March 2005
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Alex said:
Just remember not to say: "Can I bum a fag?" when you are in the US.


And certaintly dont ask where the fag machine is which was a mistake I made...

birdbrain

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Wednesday 23rd March 2005
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Plotloss said:

Alex said:
Just remember not to say: "Can I bum a fag?" when you are in the US.



And certaintly dont ask where the fag machine is which was a mistake I made...


Alex

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Wednesday 23rd March 2005
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The first line of "Strong" by Robbie Williams was changed from:

"My breath smells of a thousand fags"

to

"My breath smells of a thousand smokes"

when it was released in the US.

Trooper2

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Wednesday 23rd March 2005
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Alex said:
Just remember not to say: "Can I bum a fag?" when you are in the US.



Definitely not in San Fransisco.

birdbrain

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Wednesday 23rd March 2005
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fag (cigarette)
In modern British English, "fag" is a colloquialism for a cigarette, as in "I'm gasping for a fag", "Where can I get some fags?", or "Can I bum a fag?" (can I borrow a cigarette?). It was originally a reference to a cigarette-butt or cigar-butt and comes from the expression "fag-end," meaning the leftover or useless part of any thing.

Found on www.answers.com

Alex

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Wednesday 23rd March 2005
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So where does "fag-end" originate?

birdbrain

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Wednesday 23rd March 2005
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fag (fag-end)
The term fag derives from the word "flag" (as in: "His strength was flagging."). "Flag" appeared in the 16th century and was apparently a variant of the Middle English word flacken. Flacken meant "to flutter", and was influenced by the Old French word flaquir. Flaquir meant "to be flaccid."

The word "fag" came to mean "thing hanging loosely," and was applied to the remnants of a bolt of cloth, the tail end of an originally long spool of rope, etc., It therefore had the derived meaning of any off-cut or unwanted part of any product, such as wood, cloth or meat, known as a "fag-end."

The associations among the various strands of meaning of "fag," such as "to flutter," "to be flaccid," "thing hanging loosely," "the last and worst part of anything" seem to be better connected to the pejorative present-day sense of "fag" and "faggot" than are the dictionary meanings of the word "faggot," which were limited strictly to the sense of "bundle" before the middle of the 20th century.

Alex

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Wednesday 23rd March 2005
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I think we can close the thread now.

Plotloss

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Wednesday 23rd March 2005
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All covered in the second post

Mrs Fish

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Wednesday 23rd March 2005
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Plotloss said:

Alex said:
Just remember not to say: "Can I bum a fag?" when you are in the US.



And certaintly dont ask where the fag machine is which was a mistake I made...


A friend of mine whilst in the US mentioned quite loudly to a group of Americans we were with,

"I'm just going outside for a fag"

The group went silent....

justayellowbadge

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271 months

Wednesday 23rd March 2005
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Could this be the longest ever cigarette related thread on PH without a certain someone turning up and telling everyone (yet again) just how bad cigarettes are?

c c

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Wednesday 23rd March 2005
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What about Dog Ends then?

zcacogp

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Wednesday 23rd March 2005
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Alex said:
Just remember not to say: "Can I bum a fag?" when you are in the US.

Ah, yes, The old "American use of the word 'Fag'" issues.

"I'm gasping for a fag."

"Fags come in packets of 20, you can buy them fairly cheaply in most corner shops."

"Fags are thin and white and you suck on the end."

"The government is upping the tax on fags."

.... the list goes on.


Oli.