Phonics Vs the educational establishment
Discussion
The debate about the merits of synthetic phonics as a means for teaching children to read was reignited yesterday when the educational select committee criticized current education policies and called for more research into Phonics.
Phonics is a method of teaching children to read by blending sounds into words, it was a method abondoned by the educational establishment a couple of decades Ok on no scientific evidence whatsever. It has recently been partially reintroduced-but not fully.
Scientific studies have shown that Phonics is the best method of teaching children to read. Its abondonment has failed a generation of disadvantaged children who do not have the home support to overcome flawed teaching methods.
Phonics is a method of teaching children to read by blending sounds into words, it was a method abondoned by the educational establishment a couple of decades Ok on no scientific evidence whatsever. It has recently been partially reintroduced-but not fully.
Scientific studies have shown that Phonics is the best method of teaching children to read. Its abondonment has failed a generation of disadvantaged children who do not have the home support to overcome flawed teaching methods.
dilbert said:
rude-boy said:
You think this is bad, have you seen the way they teach maths these days 
I was asked to help with some homework a few months back and could not believe the way they had been taught to do multiplication.
There's only one way to multiply, surely?
What an interesting time your partner must have if you think this way
must learn to format
>> Edited by rude-boy on Thursday 7th April 12:49
rude-boy said:
You think this is bad, have you seen the way they teach maths these days
I was asked to help with some homework a few months back and could not believe the way they had been taught to do multiplication.
As mentioned in another thread, my GF is doing teacher training. I've seen some of the stuff she has to teach to the little darlings and, frankly, I have no idea what she's on about half the time. And it's really simple stuff like long multiplication and long division...
Very odd methods being used these days.
"It wasn't like that in MY day..." etc, etc.
My five year old daughter is being taught with "jollyphonics" as they call it.
When they being taught to read at school they also are encouraged to look at the pictures in the books.
What this means is my daughter just looks at the pictures and gueses what the word say or memorises the pictures and then the sentence that goes with it. She is strugling with reading and I am strugling to help her. she is deffinately behind where my other daughter was at her age.
My eldest daughter who is 8 did not do jollyphonics. the difference is quited marked.
When they being taught to read at school they also are encouraged to look at the pictures in the books.
What this means is my daughter just looks at the pictures and gueses what the word say or memorises the pictures and then the sentence that goes with it. She is strugling with reading and I am strugling to help her. she is deffinately behind where my other daughter was at her age.
My eldest daughter who is 8 did not do jollyphonics. the difference is quited marked.
pesty said:
My five year old daughter is being taught with "jollyphonics" as they call it.
When they being taught to read at school they also are encouraged to look at the pictures in the books.
What this means is my daughter just looks at the pictures and gueses what the word say or memorises the pictures and then the sentence that goes with it. She is strugling with reading and I am strugling to help her. she is deffinately behind where my other daughter was at her age.
My eldest daughter who is 8 did not do jollyphonics. the difference is quited marked.
This 'Jollyphononics' bears no resemblance to Phonics
jimbeaux said:
Saw a bumper sticker here the other day for the "Hooked on Phonics" program: "Hooked on Phonics Phucked me up".
Not that I didn't think that was (phucking ) phunny , but
thats writing innit ?
As long as bumper sticker owner knows that ph and f are pronounced "eff" , they can read.
[/pedant] sorry
This might seem a rather esoteric issue, but I believe it is of key importance.
The Daily Telegraph's educational expert estimates that 1/3 of all children entering secondary school at the age of 11 have a reading age below what is neccesary to fully understand secondary school text books.
As a result these children do not get a proper education and in many cases become disruptive in class.
The Daily Telegraph's educational expert estimates that 1/3 of all children entering secondary school at the age of 11 have a reading age below what is neccesary to fully understand secondary school text books.
As a result these children do not get a proper education and in many cases become disruptive in class.
pesty said:
My five year old daughter is being taught with "jollyphonics" as they call it.
When they being taught to read at school they also are encouraged to look at the pictures in the books.
What this means is my daughter just looks at the pictures and gueses what the word say or memorises the pictures and then the sentence that goes with it. She is strugling with reading and I am strugling to help her. she is deffinately behind where my other daughter was at her age.
My eldest daughter who is 8 did not do jollyphonics. the difference is quited marked.
Pesty,
I have a 4 year old son and he learnt to read using Letterland.
Each character is a shape - Annie apple, Bouncing Ben, Clever cat, etc. Children learn the shape and the sound of the word together, and it works really well.
His cousin is a couple of years older, uses Jollyphonics, and is a worse reader, especially when their ages are taken into account. From what I've seen of it, Jollyphonics is more "fun", but when was learning stuff ever meant to be fun!
Just my 2p's worth...
Charles
einion yrth said:
What I have trouble getting my mind around is the thought that, given that we've been teaching people to read for several thousand years, we still don't apparently agree as to the best way to do it. What's that about then?
The Phonics method was abondoned for no apparant reason-perhaps simply because it wasn't fun or trendy enough.
Perhaps becuase it was deemed to be too constaining childrens 'right' to discover reading for themselves.
The evidence is pretty unambigous-Phonics is the most effective way of teaching children the fundamentals of reading.
CWK,
I tend to agree with you. It does seem as if it is trying to be "fun"
The kids perform actions along with the jolly phonics
EG. for A my daughter pretends ants are crawling up her arm.
however this does not translate to reading words on a page. I have been helping her during the school holidays. her level of reading is below that of which I can explain things to her.I am strugling to explain things in terms she can understand. This was not a problem I encountered with my other daughter.
In my limited experience it does seem to be the method that is being used that seems not to be working for my daughter. She is bright in every other subject. the teacher desgribes her as a math genious
I think at this rate I will be paying for extra tuition out of hours.
Any current Teachers on this site care to share their experiences?
I tend to agree with you. It does seem as if it is trying to be "fun"
The kids perform actions along with the jolly phonics
EG. for A my daughter pretends ants are crawling up her arm.
however this does not translate to reading words on a page. I have been helping her during the school holidays. her level of reading is below that of which I can explain things to her.I am strugling to explain things in terms she can understand. This was not a problem I encountered with my other daughter.
In my limited experience it does seem to be the method that is being used that seems not to be working for my daughter. She is bright in every other subject. the teacher desgribes her as a math genious
I think at this rate I will be paying for extra tuition out of hours.
Any current Teachers on this site care to share their experiences?
I don't remember how we taught my daughter to read but she was quite fluent before she went to school and has always been a few years ahead of the recommended standards.
Kids should be able to read and write before they go to school and it is really down to the parents to coach them.
Schools could then be used to improve these skills and not have to start at the beginning.
A friend's daughter who is now in her late twenties was taught to read by word recognition rather than constructing words with syllables, when she was in her teens if she saw a word she didn't recognise she would have to ask hat it was rather than work it out for herself.
Kids should be able to read and write before they go to school and it is really down to the parents to coach them.
Schools could then be used to improve these skills and not have to start at the beginning.
A friend's daughter who is now in her late twenties was taught to read by word recognition rather than constructing words with syllables, when she was in her teens if she saw a word she didn't recognise she would have to ask hat it was rather than work it out for herself.
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