Private Tuition
Discussion
JagLover said:
More than quarter of parents now pay for private tuition for their children in order to compensate for the failures of the State education system.
That's the number that will admit to it presumably - with tuition, revision and test prep the total must be higher surely? Edited to add - OK, more than a quarter...that covers 90% then
>> Edited by turbobloke on Friday 8th April 10:41
turbobloke said:
[quote=JagLover]That's the number that will admit to it presumably - with tuition, revision and test prep the total must be higher surely? Edited to add - OK, more than a quarter...that covers 90% then
>> Edited by turbobloke on Friday 8th April 10:41
That is indeed those that will admit to it-though I don't see why it is a source of shame.
It is funny even those middle class parents using the 'free' state system will still find themselves paying thousands of pounds more for a house in a good catchment area and then paying out again for private tuition.
How 'free' is state education.
one of my mates is a university lecture (dont worry, ive already punched him), and he does more hours private tuition than in his 'real' job. and unlike most university nobs he does a decent amount of hours a week.
he reckons the amount of private tuition has quadrupled in the past 2 years.
he reckons the amount of private tuition has quadrupled in the past 2 years.
Plotloss said:
Why didnt they just put their hand in their pocket earlier and pay for an independant education?
Because the great majority of hard working parents cannot afford to pay twice for schooling-once through their taxes for the state system then again privately.
That is why a voucher system is so desperately needed-it will bring private education within the reach of so many people.
ananova said:
Boys 'benefit most from tuition'
Boys benefit more from private tuition than girls, a study reported.
Moreover, ethnic minority families are more likely to employ a private tutor for their children.
New research from the Institute of Education discovered that students who have private tuition in mathematics during the two years before GCSEs achieve on average just under half a grade higher - which can mean a C rather than a D grade - than students who do not have a tutor.
But while some improve by well over half a grade, others do not see any improvement at all. Those who benefit most are boys, the research said.
The researchers, Professor Judith Ireson and Katie Rushforth, surveyed more than 300 year-11 students who had taken GCSEs in 2003.
Forty-eight of them had received private tuition in maths during years 10 and 11, with boys and girls having similar amounts.
But the boys increased their maths scores by almost three-quarters of a grade while the tuition had little effect on the girls' performance.
Professor Ireson said: "Our results suggest that tutors are not helping girls as much as boys at this level."
It was also found that 36% of students whose fathers held senior and professional positions reported that they had had a tutor, compared with 11% whose fathers were in unskilled work.
Almost half of Indian students (45%) had had tutors at some point, while Chinese and African students notched figures of 35% and 31% respectively in the same category, compared to a quarter of white European students and one in five Bangladeshi students.
JagLover said:
Why didnt they just put their hand in their pocket earlier and pay for an independant education?
Because the great majority of hard working parents cannot afford to pay twice for schooling-once through their taxes for the state system then again privately.
That is why a voucher system is so desperately needed-it will bring private education within the reach of so many people.
But i don't want my children eductated with the common people!
JagLover said:
Why didnt they just put their hand in their pocket earlier and pay for an independant education?
Because the great majority of hard working parents cannot afford to pay twice for schooling-once through their taxes for the state system then again privately.
That is why a voucher system is so desperately needed-it will bring private education within the reach of so many people.
Completely agree on the taxation point, same should apply for any private provision in my mind.
Research my wife (teacher) was pointing me at the other day suggests that the peer group you r kids are educated with is the most important factor in their behaviour. Odd that. Stick your child in with Jocasta and Tarquin who say please and thankyou, and do crack quietly and sensibly, and they will be much better for it.. 
JagLover said:
Because the great majority of hard working parents cannot afford to pay twice for schooling-once through their taxes for the state system then again privately.
The assisted places scheme went a long way to enabling less well-off parents to give their children the (perceived) benefit of public schooling. And we all know which government abolished that scheme, don't we...
My experience at school was shocking - I was put on the scrap-heap by my school. No question.
Various PH members assure me that the education system has improved a lot since then (the 1970's), which may be true. However, because of my experience all four of our kids go to a private school, which we're very happy with. We have regular feedback from the school and the kids enjoy going there every day. Sure, it's not perfect, but in comparison to some of the problems I've heard from parents of state schools in the area, it's very good. When I go there all the kids are well mannered and polite and there is a feeling of "security" and "fun" - mixed with a desire to learn.
Sad to say, but I think that to get the best for your kids they probably need a private education.
Various PH members assure me that the education system has improved a lot since then (the 1970's), which may be true. However, because of my experience all four of our kids go to a private school, which we're very happy with. We have regular feedback from the school and the kids enjoy going there every day. Sure, it's not perfect, but in comparison to some of the problems I've heard from parents of state schools in the area, it's very good. When I go there all the kids are well mannered and polite and there is a feeling of "security" and "fun" - mixed with a desire to learn.
Sad to say, but I think that to get the best for your kids they probably need a private education.
miniman said:
Because the great majority of hard working parents cannot afford to pay twice for schooling-once through their taxes for the state system then again privately.
The assisted places scheme went a long way to enabling less well-off parents to give their children the (perceived) benefit of public schooling. And we all know which government abolished that scheme, don't we...
I was fortunate enough to benefit from this scheme when my father died, under the current government I would have had to have left my school and all my friends in my GCSE year-nice one Tony. Does anyone imagine that the (small) anount of money saved was significant compared to the overall budget for education?
Although sensible people cannot see the problem with brighter pupils being educated seperately it is clearly "unfair" to the socialist way of thinking. What is more unfair, trying to strike a balance between the most and least able, suiting none, or educating them seperately ensuring that each gets the best education possible?
Private schooling is far better than tuition. My elder son went to a state school. He was near the top on a 31 pupil class, he started able to do all the things which were the targets for the end of the first year.
So he was considered 'fine' and didn't get any attention. I could see that he wasn't progressing and complained like hell.
We took him out but the only private school which would take him only did so by dropping him down a year and working him really hard. He's now caught up that year and is doing well. His class is 11 pupils and he has a some 1:1 sessions each week. His brother, at the same school, is in an even smaller class.
If you tutor your child in a state school you are only paying for the teacher to spend more time with the less able children in order to bring the class average up.
School fees are significantly my biggest living expense. Much more than my mortgage.
Simon
So he was considered 'fine' and didn't get any attention. I could see that he wasn't progressing and complained like hell.
We took him out but the only private school which would take him only did so by dropping him down a year and working him really hard. He's now caught up that year and is doing well. His class is 11 pupils and he has a some 1:1 sessions each week. His brother, at the same school, is in an even smaller class.
If you tutor your child in a state school you are only paying for the teacher to spend more time with the less able children in order to bring the class average up.
School fees are significantly my biggest living expense. Much more than my mortgage.
Simon
simonrockman said:
Private schooling is far better than tuition. My elder son went to a state school. He was near the top on a 31 pupil class, he started able to do all the things which were the targets for the end of the first year.
So he was considered 'fine' and didn't get any attention. I could see that he wasn't progressing and complained like hell.
We took him out but the only private school which would take him only did so by dropping him down a year and working him really hard. He's now caught up that year and is doing well. His class is 11 pupils and he has a some 1:1 sessions each week. His brother, at the same school, is in an even smaller class.
If you tutor your child in a state school you are only paying for the teacher to spend more time with the less able children in order to bring the class average up.
School fees are significantly my biggest living expense. Much more than my mortgage.
Simon
My eldest kid is mathematically gifted - he had an IQ of 162 when he was 11. The private school have been brilliant with him, stretching him to the appropriate degree, without making him feel different to the rest of the class but also making his work challenging.
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