How throughly depressing
How throughly depressing
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docevi1

Original Poster:

10,430 posts

277 months

Thursday 14th April 2005
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I'm filling in an application form and have to fill in the section "Convictions / Cautions" to say I'm a criminal. I aint no criminal but in the eyes of this form, I am

Sigh.

simpo two

92,687 posts

294 months

Thursday 14th April 2005
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If you talking motoring offences, they're civil offences not criminal offences - if that helps?

Even in this country, you're not a criminal for getting 3 points. Yet.

UKBob

16,277 posts

294 months

Thursday 14th April 2005
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So what was it that you did?

docevi1

Original Poster:

10,430 posts

277 months

Thursday 14th April 2005
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it says
form said:
Enter details of any arrest/conviction (including traffic convictions and appearances before a Court Martial) or formal cautions by Police for any offence (including cautions as a juvenil) or any Court. You must include spent convictions under Rehabilitation of Offenders act 1974 (by virtue of the provisions of the Rehabilitation of Offenders act 1974 (Exceptions) Order 1975).

If you have been convicted or cautioned you may still be eligible for appointment depending on the nature and circumstances of the offence. However, failure to disclose details may lead to rejection of your application (sic) termination of employment.

PatHeald

8,058 posts

285 months

Thursday 14th April 2005
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docevi1 said:
I'm filling in an application form and have to fill in the section "Convictions / Cautions" to say I'm a criminal. I aint no criminal but in the eyes of this form, I am

Sigh.
Does the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act not help you out?

Cheers

Pat

docevi1

Original Poster:

10,430 posts

277 months

Thursday 14th April 2005
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UKBob said:
So what was it that you did?


usual three points last year

>> Edited by docevi1 on Thursday 14th April 17:04

Muncher

12,235 posts

278 months

Thursday 14th April 2005
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Yes, it is a criminal offence most definately.

There are different categories of criminal offence though in terms of how they are recorded. You don't have a criminal record as such, but it is a criminal conviction.

simpo two

92,687 posts

294 months

Thursday 14th April 2005
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I was cautioned for parking half on a pavement in 1987. I was trying to be helpful by not blocking the road, but Plod was having a jobsworth moment.

So it's the Tower for me...

TeamD

5,060 posts

261 months

Thursday 14th April 2005
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Send the form back with "Fk off" written in CAPS in red ink on it.

mechsympathy

58,563 posts

284 months

Thursday 14th April 2005
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AFAIK cautions are only on the system for two years. (It might be worth posting this on SP&L to confirm.)

I was formally cautioned in 1990, in 1994 I had to fill in a disclosure form like yours and didn't mention the caution. I had no problems (but I did have a few sleepless nights worrying about it). It might have helped that I was cautioned in South Wales and the form was for a post in Yorkshire.

Look at Ian Huntley(), I'd be surprised if they've kept details on you. (Depending on what you did)

docevi1

Original Poster:

10,430 posts

277 months

Thursday 14th April 2005
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TeamD said:
Send the form back with "Fk off" written in CAPS in red ink on it.
considering it's the place where my dad works and he/they are doing me a favour by letting get on the Temp register and fast-tracking this application, thats not the best suggestion

Apparently all traffic offences are ignored, but are simply used to gauge "who is honest". Still makes me feel like a criminal having to fill it in.

team underdog

938 posts

258 months

Thursday 14th April 2005
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Ive had the same filling out a job application recently and you dont need to disclose any cauntion/conviction whatever it may be that you were convicted of if it was over five years ago.

So i left it blank!

TeamD

5,060 posts

261 months

Thursday 14th April 2005
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docevi1 said:

considering it's the place where my dad works and he/they are doing me a favour by letting get on the Temp register and fast-tracking this application, thats not the best suggestion

Apparently all traffic offences are ignored, but are simply used to gauge "who is honest". Still makes me feel like a criminal having to fill it in.


I know I wasn't helping much

It's just a pet hate that so many organisations seem to want to put you under the magnifying glass for, often, quite trivial reasons.

EmmaP

11,758 posts

268 months

Thursday 14th April 2005
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I would not concern yourself too much about a minor traffic conviction disclosure. I had to disclose a TS10 about eight years ago and it made absolutely no difference to my application and I was offered the job. It was a lecturing job in FE, so they are pretty thorough.

>> Edited by EmmaP on Thursday 14th April 17:40

2 Smokin Barrels

31,993 posts

264 months

Thursday 14th April 2005
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EmmaP said:
I would not concern yourself too much about a minor traffic conviction disclosure. I had to disclose a TS10 about eight years ago and it made absolutely no difference to my application and I was offered the job. It was a lecturing job in FE, so they are pretty thorough.

>> Edited by EmmaP on Thursday 14th April 17:40


Not lecturing about colour coding though presumably

M3 Mitch

538 posts

258 months

Thursday 14th April 2005
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You didn't say what job you are applying for, but this might be early warning of a firm that you don't really want to work for/with.

Just a thought.

Whatever you do with the app, if I were in your place I'd keep hunting and assume whatever I wrote on the app had disqualified me for the job.

Get a car-related job if you can. Or check out the oilfield, it should be a good place to work now, if you are fit and willing to work hard the blue collar stuff probably does not all require experience (since they have probably already hired all the experienced hands) and pays well. At the same time it can be very unforgiving if you don't keep your head about you at all times. I dont' think they insist on a choirboy record either...