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So all the polls are saying that Labour are in front, some by more than before. All this dispite the fact that the country is falling apart, mainly in the last two election weeks aswell!
Really I'm just after some reassurance that the sh
ts aren't going to get in again.
Please tell me it won't happen.
Really I'm just after some reassurance that the sh
ts aren't going to get in again. Please tell me it won't happen.
Saw a political analyst programme at the weekend, they were saying that because Howard is fighting a good campaign and is strengthening Tory support, it's actually falling into Labour's hands. There are many lazy Labour voters out there that weren't going to bother to vote, now Howard has them worried and they might go and actually go to the polling stations on May 5th as they fear that Howard might actually win.
Many other factors help labour along the way:
-they can receive less overall votes but still win
-25% of the working population are employed by them and are worried that the Tories will cut their jobs
-most people arriving from overseas will not want their benefits cut, so new arrivals in the UK will give Labour a boost in the polls
-many scroungers who will lose out if Labour don't get in
With these many factors holding Labour up, I can never see how the other parties have a chance
Won't stop me trying to vote the cnuts out thought!
>> Edited by forever_driving on Tuesday 19th April 08:36
Many other factors help labour along the way:
-they can receive less overall votes but still win
-25% of the working population are employed by them and are worried that the Tories will cut their jobs
-most people arriving from overseas will not want their benefits cut, so new arrivals in the UK will give Labour a boost in the polls
-many scroungers who will lose out if Labour don't get in
With these many factors holding Labour up, I can never see how the other parties have a chance
Won't stop me trying to vote the cnuts out thought! >> Edited by forever_driving on Tuesday 19th April 08:36
forever_driving said:
-most people arriving from overseas will not want their benefits cut, so new arrivals in the UK will give Labour a boost in the polls
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Not to mention a great many already here...
'The Muslim Council of Britain is giving its assessment of where the parties stand on issues affecting Muslims.'
In a bid to increase turnout, the MCB is also holding regional hustings in constituencies where the Muslim vote could prove influential.
By the sounds some of their 'leaders' are making, it's already a forgone conclusion...
dr strangelove said:
Not to mention a great many already here...
'The Muslim Council of Britain is giving its assessment of where the parties stand on issues affecting Muslims.'
In a bid to increase turnout, the MCB is also holding regional hustings in constituencies where the Muslim vote could prove influential.
By the sounds some of their 'leaders' are making, it's already a forgone conclusion...
Very similar to what the red tops do when they tell their readers to VOTE XXXXXXXXX for the good of the country.
bga said:
Not to mention a great many already here...
'The Muslim Council of Britain is giving its assessment of where the parties stand on issues affecting Muslims.'
In a bid to increase turnout, the MCB is also holding regional hustings in constituencies where the Muslim vote could prove influential.
By the sounds some of their 'leaders' are making, it's already a forgone conclusion...
Very similar to what the red tops do when they tell their readers to VOTE XXXXXXXXX for the good of the country.
only vaguely similar, but not the same in almost any sense. The Union's official (now defunct) block vote would have been a closer comparison, until it was outlawed.
Unfortunately my from view it looks like a 75 seat labour victory would be the most optimistic result that the tories could hope for. It represents a huge swing against the government but it isn't going to change anything.
It really is most depressing and despite some tory voters becoming even more resolved to go and vote I suspect the usual apathetic majority of them will decide it just isn't worth the bother.
Now what we need is some significant news event to really get them off their backsides. But I can't figure out what that might be - any ideas? Means testing folks for the state pension isn't going to be it.
It really is most depressing and despite some tory voters becoming even more resolved to go and vote I suspect the usual apathetic majority of them will decide it just isn't worth the bother.
Now what we need is some significant news event to really get them off their backsides. But I can't figure out what that might be - any ideas? Means testing folks for the state pension isn't going to be it.
forever_driving said:
-25% of the working population are employed by them and are worried that the Tories will cut their jobs
I think this is the clincher. problem is, of course, that these jobs come at great expense - massive civil service waste, lots of slightly pointless committees and think tanks, and a lot of Labour's employment projects have been at great cost, both through borrowing and to the taxpayer.
The economy is bouyant but it just can't last. Brown is borrowing more than any other chancellor to keep it stable, and when it eventually falters, which it inevitably will, all these jobs will either be unsustainable, or will have to take massive wage cuts in order to survive.
And therein lies the problem. Labour brought it on themselves and won't be trusted when it all falls down. The Tories will say 'I told you so' but won't reinstate the jobs, so where will those 25% of votes go?
That's right, the Liberal bloody Democrats.
And concepts like 'disposable income', 'driving', 'risk', 'criminal justice' and 'aspirations' will cease to exist.
It's time spending is cut on these things before a disaster happens.
dr strangelove said:
only vaguely similar, but not the same in almost any sense. The Union's official (now defunct) block vote would have been a closer comparison, until it was outlawed.
The Muslim community leaders will be recommending people to vote for x as it will be best for them.
A paper will be recommending people to vote for x as it will be best to vote for them.
Both are targetted at people who dont have the facts or will to make up their own minds. Both will be given targetted information.
I have spent enough time with members of the Muslim community to know that most of them will bear in mind what they have been told but will vote how they want.
dr strangelove said:
only vaguely similar, but not the same in almost any sense. The Union's official (now defunct) block vote would have been a closer comparison, until it was outlawed.
It's only exactly the same as the red top campaigns. Or don't you remember the 1992 "Will the last person leaving the UK please turn off the light?" Front page of the Sun?
Besides which, again, this line of argument is nonsense, as the MCB, (who are FAR from representative of what most people think) would not be in favour of either Labour or Tory, because of their stand on the war, more likely to be Lib Dem, or even more likely to be Respect.
hut49 said:
Unfortunately my from view it looks like a 75 seat labour victory would be the most optimistic result that the tories could hope for. It represents a huge swing against the government but it isn't going to change anything.
It really is most depressing and despite some tory voters becoming even more resolved to go and vote I suspect the usual apathetic majority of them will decide it just isn't worth the bother.
Now what we need is some significant news event to really get them off their backsides. But I can't figure out what that might be - any ideas? Means testing folks for the state pension isn't going to be it.
You are probably right, but you have to ask yourself why the Tories aren't more popular, the reason is that their policies are largely similar to Labour, and that there is no leadership, Howard being an incredibly bad choice, and he is surrounded by non-entities. These things coupled with their negative campaign, and the feeling of utter mistrust, still, of the Tories, means that they aren't going to get the pre-requisite number of votes.
in truth the only poll that matters is on the 5th May, so everyone, hold your breath and wait and see. i don't really hold much to the "opinion" polls, i think many people say one thing and often do another, but hey i might be completly wrong.
there is another way to look at this and i know i will not enjoy saying it or having to endure it, but if labour are returned (heaven forbid) the following election is likely to see such a swing to the right that it will be joyous to see the labourites squirm as free market policies are implemented, but can we wait that long?
there is another way to look at this and i know i will not enjoy saying it or having to endure it, but if labour are returned (heaven forbid) the following election is likely to see such a swing to the right that it will be joyous to see the labourites squirm as free market policies are implemented, but can we wait that long?
Just to reassure you.....
Yes, I always thought labour would get back in too.
I think there's very little doubt about it.
I also think there's a chance they could continue winning again and again. Partly for reasons as have been described above. ie they have the BBC behind them, they have created masses of jobs which depend on them etc...
Good job there's a 90% chance I'm leaving the country within the next year then.
968 said:
It's only exactly the same as the red top campaigns. Or don't you remember the 1992 "Will the last person leaving the UK please turn off the light?" Front page of the Sun?
I remember it well, very well, shock tactics indeed. The difference though was 'The Slut' was addressing a nation, across 'all bounderies'. This bunch of cowboys are talking to a secular and substantial group with key majorites in some cities. Both them, and the unions (block vote) were attempting to harness an exclusive group. How exactly is that "only exactly the same"?...
Besides which, again, this line of argument is nonsense, as the MCB, (who are FAR from representative of what most people think) would not be in favour of either Labour or Tory, because of their stand on the war, more likely to be Lib Dem, or even more likely to be Respect.
Who's line of argument is nonsense, your's or the cowboys?, unlike your counterpoint which is straight down the middle of black and white, how does it square with their summary below.
"We have of course all been angry at the Labour government, principally over Iraq and the anti-terror laws, but at the next election the country will be faced with a choice," say the scholars.
"We encourage British Muslims that when the elections finally come to support Labour
Whats interesting is that MH is setting the pace for this election. This has happened before but someone trips up and the redpress comes in like a bunch of piranhas.
Whether this happens this time I'm not sure. And MH still has plenty of cards to play.
I'm reckoning MH will bring the Europe issue out to play in the second to final week. And will focus on Tony Blur's lying on the final week, ensuring that his strategy goes full circle.
Whether this happens this time I'm not sure. And MH still has plenty of cards to play.
I'm reckoning MH will bring the Europe issue out to play in the second to final week. And will focus on Tony Blur's lying on the final week, ensuring that his strategy goes full circle.
tinman0 said:
Whats interesting is that MH is setting the pace for this election. This has happened before but someone trips up and the redpress comes in like a bunch of piranhas.
Whether this happens this time I'm not sure. And MH still has plenty of cards to play.
hes bringing up the right issues but he is often not going in hard enough.
On pensions for instance he should have been shouting loud and clear that Gordon Brown Sha*ted Private pensions. he didn't and just came up with some small tax break for low income workers.
regarding pensions MH has not been shouting loud enough, it is one of the big black holes....which one will swallow the countries pennies first....the pensions or the health service black hole?
i'm not a betting man but i have a hunch that the next announcement MH will make on taxes will be directed towards the motorist, a £billion or so, back in our pockets, 10p off fuel duty, i hope so.
i'm not a betting man but i have a hunch that the next announcement MH will make on taxes will be directed towards the motorist, a £billion or so, back in our pockets, 10p off fuel duty, i hope so.
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