BNP - Corporal Fox
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ANyone see the BNP party political broadcast?
It was really bad - follow a tramp around, give him a bottle of Teachers, and then get him to play chicken on the embankment, all to a crappy folk song. The song was quite creepy, didn't really realise what was going on until the line;
When ‘home’ from the army I came:
There were flats for Iraqis and Afghans
But never a one with my name.
The second part - man ranting about truth - was also appalling. "If they send me to prison for telling the truth, well, I'll tell the truth, and go to prison, and when I get out, I'll tell the truth...again!". I'm not really too clear on their policies based on this, other than housing of homeless ex-squaddies, tough on immigration and truth telling to the nth degree.
Love the lyric about the clerk with green spiky hair - this is surely the best bit. Britain: dyed-hair nadir of moral depravity and social failure.
I also thought it was funny when Corporal Wino was respectfully adjusting the wreaths of poppies on the war memorial, only for them to keep going wonky again. It stood out as pure and total shit, in a genre which takes great pride in its long tradition of being shit.
Also, the sort of tosser this kind of guff appeals to hasn't been within a thousand
miles of a frontline. I have had run-ins with ex-military vagrants and they were all thoroughly unpleasant, vicious, bigoted ar5eholes. I'll bet they were like that before they hit the streets. That's probably why they're on the streets. I'm glad they're homeless, I just wish some nasty little pikey would set them all on fire. The stat was something like 1/3 of all homeless people are ex soldiers - however, it didn't go on to mention that they became homeless not because of immigrants or left wing social depravity (green hair and all) but because of sociopathic anti-socialism inbred from being in the army, feeling crushed by the 'real' world and wanting to escape by forming a new squad of 'friends' to down white lightening and shout abuse at folk, teetering on the edge of being threatening and violent...or something.
I've believed for a while that for every immigrant that comes into the country, we should eject one dole scum, a kind of trade. After seeing the BNP's appalingly trite and pathetic attempt at stirring up voters, I am convinced that we should shoot one homeless person too.
So - BNP ppb; utter rubbish, or did anyone find it a moving and lateral approach to the far right getting its message across? I think my views are clear...
appallingly c.rap BNP ppb said:
Corporal Fox
by Nick Griffin
My God, it was cold in the Falklands
When the stars and the flares shone out clear,
But at least I had mates to share jokes with
It’s much colder and lonelier here.
And that sharp piece of Argentine shrapnel
It’s hurt me for many a year
But not like when you look straight through me,
Pretending I’m not even here.
My God, we were thirsty in Kuwait
And choking in dust we went dry
But we shed a few tears for our Gary
When a mine took his legs and he died
And knowing the next step could kill me
I thought it had taught me of fear
Til I see how you look straight through me
Pretending I’m not even here.
My God, I was angry to hear it
When ‘home’ from the army I came:
There were flats for Iraqis and Afghans
But never a one with my name.
I thought that the council would sort it
Til a desk clerk with spiky green hair
Said “next please” and looked straight through me
Pretending I just wasn’t there.
So I swear and I curse and I mutter
Though the anger is mainly inside
Without hope there’s no disappointment
There’s no one out there on my side.
I know the White Lightning will kill me
Don’t you see that I really don’t care?
It helps me to look straight through you
And pretend that I’m not quite all there.
So I live where the police cars can’t see me
In my rags and my old cardboard box
And there’s no one would notice me vanish
Except for my mate, Corporal Fox.
Two broken old squaddies together
In winter we share the same lair
And I bring him some bones from our Colonel
So he doesn’t pretend I’m not there.
It was really bad - follow a tramp around, give him a bottle of Teachers, and then get him to play chicken on the embankment, all to a crappy folk song. The song was quite creepy, didn't really realise what was going on until the line;
When ‘home’ from the army I came:
There were flats for Iraqis and Afghans
But never a one with my name.
The second part - man ranting about truth - was also appalling. "If they send me to prison for telling the truth, well, I'll tell the truth, and go to prison, and when I get out, I'll tell the truth...again!". I'm not really too clear on their policies based on this, other than housing of homeless ex-squaddies, tough on immigration and truth telling to the nth degree.
Love the lyric about the clerk with green spiky hair - this is surely the best bit. Britain: dyed-hair nadir of moral depravity and social failure.
I also thought it was funny when Corporal Wino was respectfully adjusting the wreaths of poppies on the war memorial, only for them to keep going wonky again. It stood out as pure and total shit, in a genre which takes great pride in its long tradition of being shit.
Also, the sort of tosser this kind of guff appeals to hasn't been within a thousand
miles of a frontline. I have had run-ins with ex-military vagrants and they were all thoroughly unpleasant, vicious, bigoted ar5eholes. I'll bet they were like that before they hit the streets. That's probably why they're on the streets. I'm glad they're homeless, I just wish some nasty little pikey would set them all on fire. The stat was something like 1/3 of all homeless people are ex soldiers - however, it didn't go on to mention that they became homeless not because of immigrants or left wing social depravity (green hair and all) but because of sociopathic anti-socialism inbred from being in the army, feeling crushed by the 'real' world and wanting to escape by forming a new squad of 'friends' to down white lightening and shout abuse at folk, teetering on the edge of being threatening and violent...or something. I've believed for a while that for every immigrant that comes into the country, we should eject one dole scum, a kind of trade. After seeing the BNP's appalingly trite and pathetic attempt at stirring up voters, I am convinced that we should shoot one homeless person too.
So - BNP ppb; utter rubbish, or did anyone find it a moving and lateral approach to the far right getting its message across? I think my views are clear...
If it wasn't for people like Corporal Fox, and my grandfather for that matter, you amnd I would be speaking German.
The way we treat ex-army guys is beyond contempt in my view. They have earned a living. Asylum seekers have not.
No disprespect, Flash, but I assume you live in a nice cottage in a nice area where the problem with immigration is something you see on the News while you're sipping a 10 year old malt?
Let me take you for a walk in Bethnal Green and Bow, and then you'll see why the BNP is making headway in some quarters. I don't support them at all, but I can see why disaffected voters might be tempted.
>> Edited by Vesuvius996 on Friday 22 April 12:17
Actually I live in a flat in South London, and while a nice area, it borders some pretty unpleasant places. I used to live in Bow, and never had any sort of unpleasant confrontation with an asylum seeker.
Don't get me wrong - my rant wasn't really about the ex-army vagrants (although my sub point about the homeless ex squaddies I have encountered being complete bastards is based on fact, and in fact on my experience of a certain type of squaddie during my involvement with the army). My rant was at the BNP, for their broadcast was disingenuous, exploitative, ignored the main issues, morally subversive and, perhaps worst of all, a bit crap.
Don't get me wrong - my rant wasn't really about the ex-army vagrants (although my sub point about the homeless ex squaddies I have encountered being complete bastards is based on fact, and in fact on my experience of a certain type of squaddie during my involvement with the army). My rant was at the BNP, for their broadcast was disingenuous, exploitative, ignored the main issues, morally subversive and, perhaps worst of all, a bit crap.
Vesuvius996 said:
If it wasn't for people like Corporal Fox, and my grandfather for that matter, you amnd I would be speaking German.
>> Edited by Vesuvius996 on Friday 22 April 12:17
Actually I'd be speaking Japanese, as my ethnicity is from further shores than Albion, but I take your point. My family flew for the RAF during WWII - but the image of past glories and rose-tinted nostalgia is no excuse for the vicious bigotry of the BNP, or their intellectually risible PR.
i dunno, i feel you are sitting on the fence a bit.
re. the BNP advert - their tactics don't really surprise me. i got one of their nice pamplets through my door last year telling me all about their 'family values' and what a decent bunch of peeps they are - bit surprised really, given that i am unlikely to vote for them, and come to think neither would my neighbours one hopes. i'm just glad i was at work when they were canvassing.
guess they are trying to spread their appeal to middle england, and decent but gullible few who are genuiniely concerned about immigrant/asylum-related issues.
using war veterans in their campaign seems pretty distasteful - what was their point? - are they blaming the predicament of this soldier on other innocent victims of war. than again, reminds me of that phrase about 'the last refuge of the scoundrel'?
btw my folks are from Malaysia, which is actually full of racist religious bigots as well
edited to add: i am also grateful for the services of the RAF and Army in WWII - i'd be speaking Japanese or most likely not be around, like many of my unfortunate grandparents.
>> Edited by fido on Friday 22 April 12:36
harry said:
I'm glad they're homeless, I just wish some nasty little pikey would set them all on fire. The stat was something like 1/3 of all homeless people are ex soldiers
On one hand you go off on one about the BNP and then you come up with this little gem.
Why would you be glad they're homeless, you have no f
g idea what they could they could have been through. They could've turned to drink as a means of coping with PTSD or some other psychological problem. These guys obviously need help not some jumped up little lawyer sitting in his penthouse suite ranting off on forums.
Oh goody - a Friday fight. I especially like to indulge in wordplay with the intellectually subnormal. Gives me something to do between snorting coke from strippers' breasts, quaffing champagne and sneering at poor people. 
To be fair, I was referring to the psycho bigot brand of homeless ex-squaddie (like the one who called me a Paki, told me to go home (to Surrey?
) and threatened to rape my sister when I refused to give him £10 at the cashpoint last week - f.ucker)
Your high horse is getting tired, fella. Suggest you dismount.
*Announcement: Harry Flashman in no way endorses the default burning of homeless people, unless they are t.wats*
>> Edited by Harry Flashman on Friday 22 April 12:51
>> Edited by Harry Flashman on Friday 22 April 12:57
To be fair, I was referring to the psycho bigot brand of homeless ex-squaddie (like the one who called me a Paki, told me to go home (to Surrey?
) and threatened to rape my sister when I refused to give him £10 at the cashpoint last week - f.ucker) Your high horse is getting tired, fella. Suggest you dismount.
*Announcement: Harry Flashman in no way endorses the default burning of homeless people, unless they are t.wats*
>> Edited by Harry Flashman on Friday 22 April 12:51
>> Edited by Harry Flashman on Friday 22 April 12:57
Well I for one give thanks to high heaven that in the this country we have legions of Solicitors, Accountants and Insurance Salesmen ready to defend us to the death should it ever become necessary.
Who knows, the Falklands war might have been over in days if we had sent in a crack team of underwriters.
Who knows, the Falklands war might have been over in days if we had sent in a crack team of underwriters.
harry said:
I'm glad they're homeless, I just wish some nasty little pikey would set them all on fire.
This quote did strike me as a tad off personally. Agree with the rest of the post though.
I guess the idea is to push the idea of 'them and us'. When Fox got back from war the enemys he encountered over there were over here taking his council flat as well (ignoring the fact that many asylum seekers are here because they fight the bad regiems in their home country)
I didn't see it but it sounds like a very nasty little advert on the basis of those lyrics.
Lets try and look at the issue of ex-servicemen from a an apolitical perspective.
The British government for many years has invested large sums of money to ensure that the army is arguably the finest fighting force on the face of the earth. This we know as a good thing and are grateful. Many members of the Army have been trained to withstand enormous hardships and to kill, not the sort of background that always leaves a man ideally equipped to work in an estate agency but essential none the less.
In the very next breath once the serviceman rejoins civilian life he is expected to do so seamlessly, hardly a realistic proposition in my opinion.
So what? Last night we saw the BNP in their infinite wisdom making cheap political capital out of a very genuine problem. To my mind this will leave the serviceman who they are seeking to protect even easier pickings from the pseudo intellectual left to whom the very idea of the armed forces is abhorrent in the first place.
All very distasteful in my opinion.
The British government for many years has invested large sums of money to ensure that the army is arguably the finest fighting force on the face of the earth. This we know as a good thing and are grateful. Many members of the Army have been trained to withstand enormous hardships and to kill, not the sort of background that always leaves a man ideally equipped to work in an estate agency but essential none the less.
In the very next breath once the serviceman rejoins civilian life he is expected to do so seamlessly, hardly a realistic proposition in my opinion.
So what? Last night we saw the BNP in their infinite wisdom making cheap political capital out of a very genuine problem. To my mind this will leave the serviceman who they are seeking to protect even easier pickings from the pseudo intellectual left to whom the very idea of the armed forces is abhorrent in the first place.
All very distasteful in my opinion.
Harry Flashman said:
Actually I live in a flat in South London, and while a nice area, it borders some pretty unpleasant places. I used to live in Bow, and never had any sort of unpleasant confrontation with an asylum seeker.
...Said the Lawyer who accused the BNP of being disingenuous.
>> Edited by dr strangelove on Friday 22 April 13:57
vario-rob makes some good points about servicemen being trained as killing machines then put back in the real world and expected to be 'normal'.
So what is the answer, because it is a disgrace that the those who put their life on the line for this country do so often end up on the streets.
Is it just that the kind of people whom the army appeals to are the kind of people who are likely to end up on the streets anyway? Is this problem prevalent elsewhere in the world?
>> Edited by rpguk on Friday 22 April 14:18
So what is the answer, because it is a disgrace that the those who put their life on the line for this country do so often end up on the streets.
Is it just that the kind of people whom the army appeals to are the kind of people who are likely to end up on the streets anyway? Is this problem prevalent elsewhere in the world?
>> Edited by rpguk on Friday 22 April 14:18
rpguk said:
I'm glad they're homeless, I just wish some nasty little pikey would set them all on fire.
This quote did strike me as a tad off personally. Agree with the rest of the post though.
I guess the idea is to push the idea of 'them and us'. When Fox got back from war the enemys he encountered over there were over here taking his council flat as well (ignoring the fact that many asylum seekers are here because they fight the bad regiems in their home country)
I didn't see it but it sounds like a very nasty little advert on the basis of those lyrics.
I agree, and I apologise. Was off on one, and it was an entirely unreasonable and stupid thing to say. It wasn't funny, and in no way reflects my beliefs.
vario-rob said:
Lets try and look at the issue of ex-servicemen from a an apolitical perspective.
Many members of the Army have been trained to withstand enormous hardships and to kill, not the sort of background that always leaves a man ideally equipped to work in an estate agency but essential none the less.
Brother did 11 yrs in the Coldstream Guards and now works in an Estate Agents - I would say it was excellent training.!
I don't know, I used to be labour but the issues of losing soverignty and diluting a great culture depresses me.
I have lived in many countries, none of which want to dilute culture whereas England seems to legislate for a culture change to accomodate not offending other cultures at our own expense.
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Why can;t we fly the flag anywhere, go to Europe of the USA and see how they fly their flags.
You'r in England pal, fly the flag...be not ashamed to be British be not shamed to support those why fight and die for you, do not be afraid to say, thats foreign I do not want it here, ban McDonalds, throw out toleration for non English customs. Why tolerate it? Try going to Pakistan and have a beer, or in Saudi they do not let women drive or you to worship Christ and will flog you for having a pint.
So why the hell do we allow them to come here and then we have to respect their ways so as not to offend them.
Get real, Fox should be a hero...first and foremost, then if we have a perfect society and spare cash we can give aid...until then....
I am bloody proud to be Brit/English...dammit I always will....
I have lived in many countries, none of which want to dilute culture whereas England seems to legislate for a culture change to accomodate not offending other cultures at our own expense.
.
Why can;t we fly the flag anywhere, go to Europe of the USA and see how they fly their flags.
You'r in England pal, fly the flag...be not ashamed to be British be not shamed to support those why fight and die for you, do not be afraid to say, thats foreign I do not want it here, ban McDonalds, throw out toleration for non English customs. Why tolerate it? Try going to Pakistan and have a beer, or in Saudi they do not let women drive or you to worship Christ and will flog you for having a pint.
So why the hell do we allow them to come here and then we have to respect their ways so as not to offend them.
Get real, Fox should be a hero...first and foremost, then if we have a perfect society and spare cash we can give aid...until then....
I am bloody proud to be Brit/English...dammit I always will....
markingle said:
Get real, Fox should be a hero...first and foremost, then if we have a perfect society and spare cash we can give aid...until then....
The likes of Fox will never be hero's as long as we have sanctimneous, cloistered lawyers preaching their heads I win - tails you lose cobblers.
For more drivel and damn lies from the arch Lawyer himself...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/frontpage/4471115.stm
This is what worries me - I too believe in British values and care for our own before care of others; however, the BNP stands for far more than this; it stands for intolerance and hatred, not integration. And an advert like last night's could convince the more stupid among us that this bunch of racists are a viable option at General Election time.
Horrible.
Horrible.
The BNP (national front) talk absolute shite but at least in the past everyone new they were talking shite! Thanks to the inepitude of our current goverment at controling the relatively simple problem of migration we now have the BNP using it to piggy back their way to more power! The PPB they are putting out would put the Daily Mail to shame with regards to its emotive bullshit content.
As for former service personel you have (imo) 3 main types:
1) Normal, competent intelligent people who joined up to learn new skills, see the world, challenge themselves and serve their country. They leave to pursue various careers and are usually effecient competent employees who can get things done, they are well adjusted and get on in life. (by far the majority)
2) The truely useless uneducated individual who joins up because noone in their right mind would offer them employment (despite the happy clappy hand wringers people like this do exist). The forces also gives them a modicom of direction and offers a little self respect. This group are unable to survive in a world where they have to think for themselves and on leaving the forces realise they have no useful skills, and are unable to independently obtain new ones, and so turn to the dole, petty crime or minimum wage. Without the discipline the army provides they are often vulnerable to (self) destructive behaviour.
3) Those who join for similar reasons as group 1. They are often intelligent people, but do not have the mental toughness to deal with everything that the army throws at them. They often end up suffering from various anxeity conditions associated with post traumatic stress. They are able to pursue successful careers in the civilian world but are alway affected by their time in the army. A small percentage may never fully recover from their experiences.
I don't know which type the BNP ex squaddie was but i suspect he was a number 2 (so to speak).
As for former service personel you have (imo) 3 main types:
1) Normal, competent intelligent people who joined up to learn new skills, see the world, challenge themselves and serve their country. They leave to pursue various careers and are usually effecient competent employees who can get things done, they are well adjusted and get on in life. (by far the majority)
2) The truely useless uneducated individual who joins up because noone in their right mind would offer them employment (despite the happy clappy hand wringers people like this do exist). The forces also gives them a modicom of direction and offers a little self respect. This group are unable to survive in a world where they have to think for themselves and on leaving the forces realise they have no useful skills, and are unable to independently obtain new ones, and so turn to the dole, petty crime or minimum wage. Without the discipline the army provides they are often vulnerable to (self) destructive behaviour.
3) Those who join for similar reasons as group 1. They are often intelligent people, but do not have the mental toughness to deal with everything that the army throws at them. They often end up suffering from various anxeity conditions associated with post traumatic stress. They are able to pursue successful careers in the civilian world but are alway affected by their time in the army. A small percentage may never fully recover from their experiences.
I don't know which type the BNP ex squaddie was but i suspect he was a number 2 (so to speak).
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