It's not rascist to be concerned about immigration
It's not rascist to be concerned about immigration
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dr strangelove

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419 posts

262 months

Friday 22nd April 2005
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It's official.

Speaking in Dover, Mr Blair said "concerns about immigration were not about racism but about fairness".

but then he did go on to say "Labour had cut asylum claims faster than anywhere else in Europe to the lowest level since March 1997, he said".

How would the man who said the above, and said the words below, know?

"On illegal immigration, no-one of course knows precisely how many people are here illegally," said Mr Blair. "Michael Howard himself admitted as much in 1995 [when he was Home Secretary]."

Why should they bother to claim asylum when they can just walk in...



JagLover

46,739 posts

264 months

Friday 22nd April 2005
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dr strangelove said:
"Labour had cut asylum claims faster than anywhere else in Europe to the lowest level since March 1997, he said".



I looked at some figures a while back and asylum claims have exploded since 1997-so I think he is talking bo**ocks there.

stackmonkey

5,084 posts

278 months

Friday 22nd April 2005
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JagLover said:


I looked at some figures a while back and asylum claims have exploded since 1997-so I think he is talking bo**ocks there.


A politician talking bo**ocks? Now there's something you see every day.




robdickinson

31,343 posts

283 months

Friday 22nd April 2005
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Asylum seekers, genuine ones, should be welcomed, tho they shouldnt even get to our shores with the EU.

Immigrants are fine, so long as they come legaly and meet any criteria we set down (skills, jobs etc).

Illigal immigrants and fraudulent asylum seekes should be deported pdq.

dr strangelove

Original Poster:

419 posts

262 months

Friday 22nd April 2005
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He's talking a bit more than bollox. He's lying through his teeth, he knows, I know it. Even the apologists for Labour know it. He accuses the conservatives of making it a single issue, completely avoiding the truth and fact that it (mass immigration, both legal and illegal) has, and will continue to have a profound and broad effect on this nation for a very, very long time, implications for every single one of us, from the student on here who thinks 'taken' jobs will not be an issue to the cloistered lawyer who because he has never had a personal problem with asylum seekers, or been refused public housing for the sake of an aslyum seeker being housed, see's no problem with the present situation.

I can't wait for said lawyers (future?) children to meet asylum seekers (future) children in years to come, and as for the student, when he gets a job, we'll see what his stance is then...


Hardcore2000

788 posts

300 months

Friday 22nd April 2005
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dr strangelove said:
He's talking a bit more than bollox. He's lying through his teeth, he knows, I know it. Even the apologists for Labour know it. He accuses the conservatives of making it a single issue, completely avoiding the truth and fact that it (mass immigration, both legal and illegal) has, and will continue to have a profound and broad effect on this nation for a very, very long time, implications for every single one of us, from the student on here who thinks 'taken' jobs will not be an issue to the cloistered lawyer who because he has never had a personal problem with asylum seekers, or been refused public housing for the sake of an aslyum seeker being housed, see's no problem with the present situation.

I can't wait for said lawyers (future?) children to meet asylum seekers (future) children in years to come, and as for the student, when he gets a job, we'll see what his stance is then...




best be careful, there watching you. Im suprised you have not been accused of being a member of the BNP.

Hardcore2000

788 posts

300 months

Friday 22nd April 2005
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on another point i really hope that Tony Blairs family have no more money than the average punter on the street and then they can reep the rewards of immigration like the rest of us.

dr strangelove

Original Poster:

419 posts

262 months

Friday 22nd April 2005
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Hardcore2000 said:

best be careful, there watching you. Im suprised you have not been accused of being a member of the BNP.


I'm not a member of any particular party. (and never will be). I couldn't give a toss what 'they' accuse me of, there are worse things to be accused of. I've had enough of this crap from our manipulative political masters, They have never done anything for me or my family in any sense, and i mean in any sense. All they have managed to do, is take our money, our efforts, our voice, and give it to other sections of their New Biton society. It's as simple as that.





Tuna

19,930 posts

313 months

Friday 22nd April 2005
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dr strangelove said:

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completely avoiding the truth and fact that it (mass immigration, both legal and illegal) has, and will continue to have a profound and broad effect on this nation for a very, very long time
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I grew up in Coventry a couple of decades ago. It has a huge immigrant population that had been there for decades before that. I went to school with good friends who had mixed parents. To my mind the only problem is that immigrants should:

1) Feel that they can, and be encouraged to contribute to our society. All this hysteria about illegal immigrants and race hatred produces isolated communities that only make matters worse.

2) Pay for the infrastructure that makes the UK so attractive to them - income tax, council tax, NI and all the other payments we make to keep the country running.

Neither of these were (as far as I'm aware) issues in Coventry, or the Chineese communities in London, so the question is what has changed to make it a problem now?

Much of the current system is there to deal with this - immigrants are already given ID cards on entering the country and as I understand it, the laws are in place to ensure they are valid entrants to the country.

The stories we've seen in the news almost purely come from the fact that enforcment of these rules is in a mess, the immigration service is a disaster and the media hounding of immigrants makes it harder for these people to come forward.

cliffe_mafia

1,732 posts

267 months

Friday 22nd April 2005
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robdickinson said:

Immigrants are fine, so long as they come legaly and meet any criteria we set down (skills, jobs etc).


How about speaking English (or Welsh ) too. Tax would be better off spent on teaching them than on interpreters like it is now.